Zombo said:

Win 3 of the next 4 games.....and he would have 10 wins, most since 1999.....and would match DA in 2007. Get 9 wins but get into the playoffs and he would match Couch in '02 (but he would have to be injured in win vs. Ravens and not start the playoff game).

Get those 10 wins AND get into the playoffs....then he would surpass both. Win a playoff game.....and its a no brainer.

@the-gipper said:

Well I meant just better QBs in general, if i had to choose among those QBs in the prime of their careers to win one game. But based on Browns career only, Hoyer is the best so far, but like you said that book is still open.

Zombo

Zombo

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Hes still laughing his fat ass off in Seattle. Living off of his payoff.

... except when he comes out to defend his decisions as Prez of the Browns.

That's serious bidness...

@jrb12711 said:

Considering how many times a sure fire #1, has failed to produce. Its less about where you pick and more about your ability to pick(with a bit of luck added in that who you picked doesn't get injured).

Zombo said:

Yea I think you would be wrong.....at least as far as their Browns career was concerned. (Garcia and Dilfer obviously had good days with other teams).

Couch is the only QB to beat the Steelers on a regular basis. He is the only one to lead the Browns to the postseason.

Those things count for something with me. (but as noted.....jury on Hoyer is out......I hope certainly that we can say that he will have performed better than Tim Couch.....so far so good)

@the-gipper said:

Yeah, I'd say he was not better than Anderson, Garcia, Dilfer, Hoyer and maybe McCoy. But to each, his own opinion.

Zombo

Zombo said:

He was better than anyone else the Browns have had. Still a wait and see about Hoyer.

@miktoxic said:

Hes still laughing his fat ass off in Seattle. Living off of his payoff.

and yes once again, i called it.

@the-gipper said:

Couch wasn't that good when he was healthy.

He never had a QB rating as high as Hoyer, or threw for as many yards in a season has Hoyer has in first year as a starter ... and people are ready to string up Hoyer.

Yes, he played on a bad expansion team ... but he just wasn't that good, I see no need to make excuses for him.

Zombo

@opal312 said:

I'm always so hit or miss about the idea of tanking games. On the one hand you never want people to lose on purpose, but one bad year cause easily equate to 10+ good ones by getting that elite QB. This year aside I wonder what could have been sometimes if we didn't draft 3-7.

@opal312 said:

McNabb would likely not have fared any better. It is entirely possible that Couch would have had the kind of career McNabb had had Philly and not Cleveland taken him......absent the injury factor which is what actually killed Couch's career. His labrum and rotator cuffs were just threads by the time he retired.

If the Browns drafted better maybe we wouldn't have the rare distinction of twenty quarterbacks in 15 years. Maybe MCNabb plays for ten with us. They passed on LaDanian and several other future hall of famers so now with new ownership maybe it changes. If Pettine can build off this year, draft a wide receiver or tight end things look good in the near future.

Couch....4 years

Holcomb....1 year

Garcia....1 year

Dilfer.....1 year

Frye.....1 year

Anderson....2 years

Quinn.....1 year

McCoy....2 years

Weeden....1 year

Campbell....1 year

Hoyer.....1 year so far. But how long will he last? (does anyone think he will be the starting QB again next year?)

They had a great run minus Elway, but what-if him into the mix and it gets ridiculous.