@tour2ma said:

@hog-dog-mike said:

Big Money two. Laziness never gets anywhere in the NFL.

It's too early to call him a bust, but Id say he is headed the way I expected.....

I see him as a soft, fragile, non committed, puffed up prospect without any real football instincts.....

On the hall.. It doesn't seem right to not get a 2nd jacket for a 2nd career.

Especially since most HOF players have not fared well as Head Coaches: Norm van Brocklin, Bart Starr, Singletary, and Munchak to name a few.

Others fared better: Gregg, Ditka, Berry, and Shell.

Go Buckeyes...

@tour2ma said:

I don't think you get inducted twice for player & coach, once you are in ... you are in.

Did you know .... Buck Buchanon was an assistant coach for the Browns in the 70's?

He imposed a large figure on the sideline.

Zombo

@hoorta said:

No way Walter. That title probably belongs to juicer Tony Mandarich. I watched the 30\30 on Brian Bosworth, and the guy did have a fantastic college career- but talk about mega bust in the pros.

Walter meant today, in this thread Clowney is the most overhyped ever.

Tomorrow?

@the-gipper said:

Defensive Lines with 2 HOF players:

1975 Rams with Jack Youngblood and Merlin Olsen

1975 Oilers Curley Culp and Elvin Bethea

Defensive backfields with 2 or more HOFers:

1960 Lions had Dick LeBeau, Yale Lary and Night Train Lane in the same DB corps, all Hall of Famer.

Culp also played on the same line for years in KC with HOF'er Buck Bucannon.

Aside:

I wonder if LeBeau will make it into the HOF as a coach as well...

Other than Halas, and a couple other pioneer players, who coincidentally played and coached, I'm not aware of any making it both as a player and a Coach in separate careers. Also not sure if even Halas was inducted twice...

Also not aware of any coaches other than Head Coaches in the Hall... Are there any?

@hog-dog-mike said:

I read today that Clowney will be out for the remainder of the season with knee surgery.

Complete bust.

Posts like this infuriate me. He lost his season to injury and he's a bust? I think we need to see the guy play more than a couple games before he's labeled as anything.

@walterwhite said:

Most overhyped draft prospect of all time.

There was a lot of hype, especially after the rb handoff sack. But I didn't see a lot of positive hype either. I saw a lot of questions and a huge flag when his college coach didn't even back him.

@opal312 said:

Who knows if he can stay healthy?

@walterwhite said:

Most overhyped draft prospect of all time.

No way Walter. That title probably belongs to juicer Tony Mandarich. I watched the 30\30 on Brian Bosworth, and the guy did have a fantastic college career- but talk about mega bust in the pros.

Complete bust.

1940s/50s Rams: QB Norm Van Brocklin/Bob Waterfield RB Elroy Crazy Legs Hirsch WR/E Tom Fears

1940s/50s Browns: QB Otto Graham, RB Marion Motley, WR Dante Lavelli

(note: Jim Brown/Warfield did not play with HOF QB)

1950s/60s Colts: QB Johnny Unitas RB Lenny Moore WR Raymond Berry (they also had TE John Mackey)

1970s Steelers: QB Terry Bradshaw, RB Franco Harris WRs Lynn Swann and John Stallworth

1970s Dolphins: QB Bob Griese, RB Larry Csonka, WR Paul Warfield

1990s Bills: QB Jim Kelly, RB Thurman, WR Andre Reed

1990s Cowboys: QB Troy Aikman, RB Emmitt Smith, WR Michael Irvin

Who could have HOF "Triplets" in the future? Possibly 49ers if Roger Craig were inducted. He has been a finalist a few time.

Colts with Peyton, Marvin Harrison and Edgerinn James? James is borderline...the others two will make it.

St. Louis Rams: Faulk is already in.....Kurt Warner and Bruce/Holt could make it.

Anyone else?

1970s era Raiders had Art Shell, Gene Upshaw and Jim Otto

1954 Browns had Lou Groza, Frank Gatski and Mike McCormack

1960s Packers had Jim Ringo and Forrest Gregg

1970s Dolphins had Jim Langer and Larry Little

1969/1970 Rams had Bob Brown and Tom Mack

1980s Oilers had Mike Munchak and Bruce Matthews.

Zombo said:

Yea, borderline at best.

@the-gipper said:

It might be 50/50....who knows?

My hope is he is OK. The kid has a world of talent. Far greater then Courtney had. I always compared him as a combination of Leroy Selmon and Bruce Smith. Leroy had more of a power game and Bruce had more of a speed game. Clowney can bring it either way. I hope it works out for him. I don't like to see injury derail any players career. I don't care who they are or who they play for.

I know we have some younger posters around here. Many may remember Smith, but Selmon might have been a little before their time. Pull up some youtube stuff on Selmon. He is easily one of the top 10 defensive players I have ever seen, and I can crank the memory banks back to the late 50's with clarity.

I am a big fan of Leroy Selmon. He died way too young.

Defensive Lines with 2 HOF players:

1958 Colts with Gino Marchetti and Art Donovan (plus Big Daddy Lipscomb)

1992 Vikings with John Randle and Chris Doleman

1975 Rams with Jack Youngblood and Merlin Olsen

1985 Bears with Richard Dent and Dan Hampton

1975 Oilers Curley Culp and Elvin Bethea

Linebacking Corps with 2 or more HOFers:

1955 Bears Bill George and George Connor

Defensive backfields with 2 or more HOFers:

1950s Lions with Jack Christiansen and Yale Lary

1960 Lions had Dick LeBeau, Yale Lary and Night Train Lane in the same DB corps, all Hall of Famer.

@the-gipper said:

Oh, I see what you are saying, same unit. No, don't think so. Zack Martin and Kevin Williams are not Hall caliber IMO.

Zombo

Zombo said:

But one is an LB, the other a DB. I was looking for 2 LBs or 2 DL or 2 DBs....as in the duos listed above.

If you just took any two players in a defense, there could be any number of duos involved:

Sapp/Brooks are both already in the HOF.

How about Jason Taylor and Zach Martin? (one LB one DE)

How about Kevin Williams and Jared Allen. Both still active, both very quality DL, played together a few years in Minnesota?

Zombo

Could the Ray Lewis/Terrell Suggs LB duo be possible?

I think Champ Bailey and Darrell Green played together for a bit no? Anyone else?