@hoorta said:

Fixed it for ya Tour.

Thanks, h... need all the help I can get...

@westside-steve said:

@tour2ma said:

Ever feel like we're fighting and don't know why? I do.

Sure. Almost every time bud. I guess I'm just tossing things out to the whole group, some of which seem outraged over the money sign. You are fine. No ill feelings from me whatsoever, hope it didn't seem that way.

Anyway...

Thanks for confirming my free will.... besides being juvenile, my doing the "money sign" would cost me $10,000. You can ask TCPO... maybe it was $1000.

I do not remember seeing Kruger's thing, but if he actually had done something meaningful, then it probably would not have bothered me and I likely would have forgotten it.

And it didn't bother me and I don't think it should bother anybody else. Unless there are some Paul Kruger haters out there.

Context means something... even Greg Little got that... eventually.

LOL... Cool...

Just out of curiosity...

What kinda review did you give "The Devil's Advocate"?

Both before and after the "rack" bonuses...

@tour2ma said:

Ever feel like we're fighting and don't know why? I do.

Sure. Almost every time bud. I guess I'm just tossing things out to the whole group, some of which seem outraged over the money sign. You are fine. No ill feelings from me whatsoever, hope it didn't seem that way.

Anyway...

Thanks for confirming my free will.... besides being juvenile, my doing the "money sign" would cost me $10,000. You can ask TCPO... maybe it was $1000.

I do not remember seeing Kruger's thing, but if he actually had done something meaningful, then it probably would not have bothered me and I likely would have forgotten it.

And it didn't bother me and I don't think it should bother anybody else. Unless there are some Paul Kruger haters out there.

Context means something... even Greg Little got that... eventually.

@tour2ma said:

Fixed it for ya Tour.

Brian Hoyer could overthrow an entire government.

@westside-steve said:

Well that's up to you bud. By the way did anyone see you close up of Paul Kruger making that choir directing motion with his hands Sunday? They showed that graphic twice going into commercials. Did that piss anybody off?

Ever feel like we're fighting and don't know why? I do.

Anyway...

Thanks for confirming my free will.... besides being juvenile, my doing the "money sign" would cost me $10,000. You can ask TCPO... maybe it was $1000.

I do not remember seeing Kruger's thing, but if he actually had done something meaningful, then it probably would not have bothered me and I likely would have forgotten it.

Context means something... even Greg Little got that... eventually.

i guess the times have changed. even white people act like they won the super bowl after a sack now. hey look at the final score numb nuts. i guess all the celebrating did exactly what now?

bunch of posers.

@tour2ma said:

Another "sign" I have never and will never make...

Well that's up to you bud. By the way did anyone see you close up of Paul Kruger making that choir directing motion with his hands Sunday? They showed that graphic twice going into commercials. Did that piss anybody off?

WSS

@the-cysko-kid said:

yeah sorta like cam's superman sign caught on sunday vs. the saints.

do that at the wrong team at the wrong time and johnny will get bent like a choir boy over a catholic priest's knee.

@texasag1969 said:

What you don't seem to get yet is that you are describing JFF... He would run through a brick wall just to win a game. That's how he's wired.

We "get it". It's a perfect summary of my, and others', greatest fear...

Let us pray...

Lord, give Johnny the serenity to accept that there are walls he cannot runneth through, the courage to runneth through the walls he can, and the control over his competiveness to know the difference.

Amen

Go Browns...

@westside-steve said:

And if the Cleveland Browns are successful under Johnny it will be nationwide like Fonzies "Heyyyyy".

Another "sign" I have never and will never make...

@westside-steve said:

Tour one more time, I love Brian Hoyer and wish he didn't suck.

And yes I am anxious to see what our first round draft pick and one of the most celebrated (and admittedly controversial) rookies in the history of the NFL can do.

Aren't you? Really?

I don't see why there has to be a disconnect.

If he turns out to be the worst quarterback in the league then I guess you guys can have a gloating party.

Yup... I am. Pretty much why I have told you as much at least twice now?

And my mod of your quote was not aimed at you... although I can see how you'd think that. You are not star-stuck. It was meant for those that are. Sometimes a knife cuts both ways...

My mod was meant for those who have been piling on Hoyer through all his efforts.

For those who treat any questioning of JM as heresy.

For those who want to see Johnny play regardless of whether the Browns win.

I want to see the Browns win... as do you. I now think the recipe for wins includes a QB change. I simply choose not to rejoice in the reason the change is now necessary as many, not necessarily you, do.

Go Browns...

@westside-steve said:

Steve, all things being equal, I'd rather WIN with a guy like you just described. Say like a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers? Now should JFF play like those two, I won't care much if he acts like Joe Namath did off the field.

@baconhound said:

What you don't seem to get yet is that you are describing JFF, not just Hawkins. He would run through a brick wall just to win a game. That's how he's wired. Ask anyone who's known him in any sport he has ever played. He hates losing more than he loves winning or "spotlights". In the spring game final scrimmage after he had won the Heisman he took off around the left end, flipped the ball out to the halfback and then took on a couple of LB's so the back could score. Sumlin got all over him about it. His response? "I couldn't help it coach. I wanted the TD!"

@the-cysko-kid said:

Yeah there will always be guys like you who just want a win but if you don't think the money sign is going to catch on you're very mistaken

And if the Cleveland Browns are successful under Johnny it will be nationwide like Fonzies "Heyyyyy".

Hopefully he's already filed for the trademark...

WSS

And yes I am anxious to see what our first round draft pick and one of the most celebrated (and admittedly controversial) rookies in the history of the NFL can do.

Aren't you? Really?

I don't see why there has to be a disconnect.

If he turns out to be the worst quarterback in the league then I guess you guys can have a gloating party.

WSS

@im_pulling_browns said:

I've been on these boards two days and I can already tell that Bacon Hound has a uncomfortably wierd dislike of Johnny.

It's called counterbalancing...

@the-cysko-kid said:

This fanbase is dying for something to rub in divisional opponents faces like the gay terrible towel crap. If manziel is great the steelers fans will bitch so hard about the money sign. And it will be sweet. Don't deny it. You know this to be true.

The fanbase is dying for wins... they are what rub gimmicks in the faces of our rivals. We've had two of those this year. Let's get two more. With or without a "gimmick" of our own. Makes zero difference to me...

@westside-steve said:

OK would you really rather lose games behind a guy that gets up early eats a good breakfast and goes to church every Sunday? Really?

"Seriously you Johnny (lovers) are just looking for stuff to whine about." - WSS

Go Browns...

@the-cysko-kid said:

This fanbase is dying for something to rub in divisional opponents faces like the gay terrible towel crap. If manziel is great the steelers fans will bitch so hard about the money sign. And it will be sweet. Don't deny it. You know this to be true.

I don't know if I'm dying to use an annoying way to express my fandom. But after putting up with terrible towels and Ravens ripped-off soccer chant, I suppose it would be nice to annoy the fuck out of them right back. But it goes both ways when your team struggles. (BTW, did I see it right when T.Y. Hilton was doing the money sign on a TD catch?)

Another thought...who the hell came up with the awful idea of the "Dirty Towel"? That was incredibly lame and I remember NO ONE using them when they were handed out at a game a few years back.

@baconhound said:

Walter don't know how long you've watched football, and am not being trying to that smart ass, but guys like Marvin Harrison, Barry Sanders, Steve Young, etc just did their job, smiled and lined up again.

Seriously you Jonny haters are just looking for stuff to whine about.

Think about your lists of grievances against Johnny and ask yourself if you really care.

OK would you really rather lose games behind a guy that gets up early eats a good breakfast and goes to church every Sunday? Really?

WSS

@im_pulling_browns said:

OK, there were plenty of Browns fans that hated the Manziel pick- including me. Not particularly keen about his off-field antics either. However assuming the Manziel Era starts Sunday, I'll be cheering for him to succeed. The last thing I want to see is yet another qb bust.

One thing for sure- rookie or not, Manziel won't be given the kind of slack the fans gave Hoyer from some quarters.I'd say about as much as Brandon Wee-done.

It could have been the Cleveland fairy tale. Downtrodden hometown kid comes out of nowhere to lead the Browns to the playoffs.Story didn't have a happy ending. Time to move on to "the next great thing."

@the-cysko-kid said:

We shall see Sunday, I hope I' wrong

@the-cysko-kid said:

^This