@tour2ma said:

psssst... Thom was a Safety...

And a damn fine one at that.

@roycerolls said:

as the lyrics go: "i would do anything for love, but i won't do that!"

and i don't know about but my dick has been wrinkled since birth. you dirty so and so.

@roycerolls said:

Told him Rock Hudson was from his hometown.

@miktoxic said:

he never pointed an old bent wrinkled dick at you?

@miktoxic said:

... told by some old grey dying flaky-haired asshole was that "thom darden was such and such a CB for the browns and he was from my hometown" while pointing an old bent wrinkled finger at me. (like i didn't know that).

psssst... Thom was a Safety...

shit i thought i was classy being the guy that took out clients to smith and wollensky to get them hammered so they'd sign with us for their campaign.

worse thing to ever happen to me during one of those sessions was to be told by some old grey dying flaky-haired asshole was that "thom darden was such and such a CB for the browns and he was from my hometown" while pointing an old bent wrinkled finger at me. (like i didn't know that).

the shit you do for a sale.

and no i never did that so.......

@letsgojackets said:

Yeah, Kobe had regenokine treatments, which is nothing like what clowney had. I think Kobe had old arthritic knees. So dont know if it would help Clowney or not, but they aren't available here in the US....only place they do it is Germany(and there is no good evidence it even works)......but you're right about the blood part..... its a treatment that uses your own blood to create a serum that alters your blood chemistry and how your body reacts to injured and arthritic joints. Its supposed to diminish swelling and inflammation, while improving healing.

Sounds a bit out there.....found a lot of stuff saying its pretty questionable science....and other stuff saying it works miracles...hmmm

@tour2ma said:

Probably not healing from his surgery and he has swelling, pain?....no cartilage....remember Sandy Alomar and how he'd get his knees lubed up?

This is a modern versio of that. Except they create cartilage instead of injecting lube. It usually only lasts a year or 2, then wears out and has to be redone.

The Clowney/surgery/recover carousel has just started turning. Around and around it will go.

@manzier said:

Microfracture is a last resort type of thing. And very very risky to the structure of the bone. Greg Ogden is a great example.

Oden(?... former Buckeye Center) was the example I was trying to think of.

Forgot you knew this stuff...

My first reaction when I read "microfracture" is still to think "condition" and not "treatment".

Why would they jump to this last resort seemingly so quickly?

So, people who dont heal well get this surgery, but need to heal well for it to work.....makes sense....not

Finally, it requires an extremely disciplined rehabilitation for full recovery.....a full 8 hours days of work to be part of the 68% percent "success" rate.....and Clowney aint the hardest worker or most driven guy, so thats a big question mark right there

The list of people who have had this surgery and returned to their previous form is very short. The list of people who have had it and then been a shadow of their previous selves is long.

For every 1 real success(100% recovery), there are 10 failures

@miktoxic said:

I know nothing about that surgery so i'll look into it, maybe I'm wrong. Just seeing these days guys come back from shit that was "career ending" just a few years ago. We'll see.

@clevfan4life said:

i was kinda thinking you and a couple other people but i'm not here to rub one's nose in shit. i know you're just as passionate as me as a brown's fan and i respect that.

i agree with you on mack. i also agree with people on evans. BUT i think farmer did the right thing drafting gilbert. another CB to compliment haden was necessary. who knew that skrine would step up like he did as well as some UDFA? farmer and pettine are defensive minded guys. farmer is also a former DB so when haden said he liked gilbert out of all the DBs in the draft i knew if farmer was serious about helping that part of the team out he would make a move.....and he did. would i have liked to seen them somehow pull out an evans and gilbert deal? hell yeah. but that would've have cost us the entire draft thereafter and the guy starting at QB sunday would prob be playing for minnesota.

will clowney be alright? doubt it. the stats are stacked against him with that type of surgery.

@miktoxic said:

hope you're not talking about me cause I wanted Mack even if Clowney was available....and mostly because we already have a lot of money tied up at OLB'er. If we didn't have either Sheard or Kruger, yeah I would probably have been quite fine with taking CLowney if he was there, even with this injury. He's still going to be an unblockable freak when he's 100% healthy. I reject all comparisons to Courtney Brown....there's no comparison between the two's skillset. And if CLowney would have been in Cleveland he probably would be playing still cause First Energy is a professional stadium that takes it's field conditions seriously. NRG is a covered stadium and it still has some of the worst turf problems in the NFL. Apparently the field is contructed of pallets of turf, like 1500 of em or something like that. So there's seams between all those pallets. I don't know if Clowney stepped into a seam or whatever but look up NRG turf issues. Why a stadium that literally overlooks lake erie has better turf throughout the cold season than a stadium in freekin Texas is beyond me.

Clowney will be fine.

where's all the "we shoulda drafted watkins" guys who also wanted clowney?

step up to the plate now you little fudges.

Clowney:

• 6'- 6" 266 lbs
• 37.5 vertical leap
• 4.53 sec - 40 yds
• Bench 225# x 21 reps
• 3 yrs college : 130 tackles, 47 TFL, 24 sacks

Brown:

• 6'-5" 270 lbs
• 37" vertical leap
• 4.52 sec - 40 yds
• Bench 225# x 26 reps
• 3 yrs college : 191 tackles, 70 TFL(NCAA record), 33 sacks(NCAA record)

So...technically....Brown was STRONGER.....and Brown was FASTER....and Brown slayed him stat wise....

Imagine what the media would create if Brown came along today....so to clarify, Clowney aint a "once in a lifetime prospect"....he was here just a few years ago.....

@hoorta said:

And Courtney Brown was a MUCH better prospect....and player....than Clowney.....stat wise, they're not even close....

I think Brown would have been great, if not for all the injuries. It seems like the physical freaks always come apart at the seams....

Like the human body cant take the extreme strength, speed, etc...the frame, ligaments, tendons, binding materials are just too weak....cant contain the explosiveness ....and then break up....

@mudfly said:

^This

@everlastingxxx said:

Sure is, Courtney Brown, Greg Oden in the NBA. Not positive, but think Kellen Winslow Jr. Not good.

http://www.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jadeveon-clowney-holds-out-of-kentucky-game-surprises-spurrier-100513

@walterwhite said:

Hell no!

They were dumb to draft him the first time.

Microfracture surgery?.......he's done.....I give him 2 or 3 injury riddled years and then he'll be out of the league....

Final career tally will be something like 4 seasons.....30 games played.....45 tackles.....and 3 sacks.....