Doug

nmills said:

OSU never spread the field this year. What game were you watching? They played that option read all year with Beanie or whoever else was in the backfield.

They may have done it a few times but it was very rare. I think a lot of that was to protect Pryor from that horrible line.

Tressel spread it out from time to time when Smith was there. But this year he almost never did that. At the most you saw a three WR set with Sanzenbacher in the slot. Almost never a four or five.

There was no rotation. Beanie was the guy. Herron and/or Mo Wells are neither receiving backs so it's not like there was a rotation for third down plays. It was all beanie when he was healthy.

Speilman knew why for the same reason we know why...We all could see him running off holding his finger or thumb or stomach or ankle, or toe, etc.

oldcow1945 said:

I saw Beanie run out on the field in street clothes the night of the USC game. He was fine. Not even a limp. There had to be a reason Tress didn't allow him to play in the biggest game of the year.

He may have only missed three games his entire career but Speilman's point was valid...He was running off the field all the time and missing a lot of plays.

there might have been another reason, but what you were suggesting was that he didnt have heart and wouldnt play hurt. He obviously wanted to play, tressel just wouldnt let him play for whatever reason. How does speilman no he was running off the field all the time missing alot of plays because he was hurt. They did have a rotation, just cause he came off the field doesnt mean he was hurt. With Pryor at quarterback they wanted to spread the field and let pryor run. That would have beanie coming off the field alot. And if what speilman says is valid do you agree when he said he was the best back to ever play at OSU

nmills said:

A concussion isnt a legit injury? And I agree we shouldnt take him with the 5th pick, never said we should but to question his toughness when no one know's the extent of the injuries he had is unfair. The guy only missed 3 games in three years, thats unheard of for most rb's.

Rumor had it that the reason Tressel decided not to play him was as punishment for making the injury worse than it was and missing the OU game......In a press conference shortly before the Ohio U game Tressel was asked about Beanie's Injury and he talked about how the doctors had not really pinpointed an exact problem but that Beanie was still complaining about pain......Hmmmm....

I saw Beanie run out on the field in street clothes the night of the USC game. He was fine. Not even a limp. There had to be a reason Tress didn't allow him to play in the biggest game of the year.

He may have only missed three games his entire career but Speilman's point was valid...He was running off the field all the time and missing a lot of plays.

Lets also not forgetr that he only started two seasons. In 2006 Pittman was the #1 back.

Wells had a great Junior year...But in his senior year he only carried the ball over 20 times in five games.

You could say Wells, but it's a position of need.

Right now I'd be p#ssed with a center (who here is really worth a 1st?), guard (same as center), safety (same as guard) or qb (Quinn, 'nuff said!) at #5.

Right now I'd be mildly disappointed with an offensive tackle, running back, wide reciever or corner at #5 but could see it.

Our biggest need is definitely linebacker and Phil left us bare, so pray Crabtree falls to us and we can trade out of 5.

nmills said:

Um- no. If you only take college stats, it has to be Archie Griffin. & Personally, I'd take Eddie George and Keith Byars over Beanie for pro potential.

My crystal ball says Wells will have a pro career on the level of (and similar to) Robert Smith- lots of nagging injuries.

Depending on what we do in FA, as it stands now, MHO is any offensive player @ #5 is a bad pick.

And I'm not real keen on taking Jenkins at #5 either. When you're next to last in the league in sacks, I don't care how good Jenkins is- he can't cover a wr if the opposing qb has all day to throw . CB is not our most glaring need.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

ME!

Them i'm guessing your icon isn't a picture of you, because I think he would dominate. Might be a bit of a slow learner though.

nmills said:

A concussion isnt a legit injury? And I agree we shouldnt take him with the 5th pick, never said we should but to question his toughness when no one know's the extent of the injuries he had is unfair. The guy only missed 3 games in three years, thats unheard of for most rb's.

Bottom line is some can question all they want but enough GMs think he's the real deal and he will be a 1st round pick in the NFL draft and maybe ended the year as one of the best backs in the country. Tressell wouldn't have played the guy if he didn't have heart..............................WTF, some of this shit is unbelievable.

oldcow1945 said:

Yeah, he deserves credit for speaking his mind. During the USC-Cal game, he ripped into Maualuga for just shoulder checking guys instead of wrapping them up; said something along the lines of, "That's not something a great linebacker should be doing."

A concussion isnt a legit injury? And I agree we shouldnt take him with the 5th pick, never said we should but to question his toughness when no one know's the extent of the injuries he had is unfair. The guy only missed 3 games in three years, thats unheard of for most rb's.

nmills said:

No. They didn't. Peterson came off of the field for LEGIT injuries. Beanie is in and out constantly.

What's it say about a guy when he's sitting on the sidelines during the bowl game. If he had heart he would be with the coaches trying to get them to put him in.

At #5, Beanie would be a bad pick for us. Any RB at #5 would be a bad pick for us, because we don't have the rest of the pieces. RB comes last when the other pieces are in place, because RB can ramp up quicker, but also has a shorter career.

oldcow1945 said:

Speilman was unhappy! That's what I love about Speilman on these shows. He is not PC!

you could be right, they said the same thing about adrian peterson last year to. will just have to wait and see. Spielman also said he was the greatest back to ever play at Ohio State, thats really saying something

I am still pretty darn strong....always have been, but I am old, fat, and slow.

Bad pick.

nmills said:

What makes you think he doesnt have heart? Dont understand that one

Jew and myself aren't the only ones...I was listening to Buckeye roundtable last year and Chris Speilman went absolutely postal on the show over Beanie's constant running off the field because his finger hurt or something else minor was bothering him. Speilman said...and this is almost verbatim..."Beanie needs to learn that you don't run off the field all the time becasue you hurt your finger...This is a game for big boys and playing hurt is part of that".

Speilman was unhappy! That's what I love about Speilman on these shows. He is not PC!

@jewdago said:

you win. he'll be a great pro.

edit: his small injuries are a concern. he gets a lot of them, and whether it's the coaches' decision to have him play or not, it could show that he's lacking some drive/desire.

agree to disagree

you win. he'll be a great pro.

edit: his small injuries are a concern. he gets a lot of them, and whether it's the coaches' decision to have him play or not, it could show that he's lacking some drive/desire.

@jewdago said:

also, if he thought he was going to be in any position to win a national championship with OSU this past year, dude is mad delusional.

he averaged 5.8 yards a carry for his career, what else could you ask for

nmills said:

What makes you think he doesnt have heart? Dont understand that one

with his physical skillset, wells should have been a dominant, unstoppable back in college, especially in a weak conference like the big 10. i think he doesn't have heart because his potential still far exceeds his production, which means he isn't getting the most out of what he's been given. it also doesn't help that OSU played a weak, weak schedule outside of USC so we don't have a great body of work to judge him on.

also, if he thought he was going to be in any position to win a national championship with OSU this past year, dude is mad delusional.

What makes you think he doesnt have heart? Dont understand that one

@jewdago said:

I agree completely. I talked about this on an OSU board and about got ran out of town. I will never understand how these OSU fans didn't see this. I think the guy has very little heart. Wonderful talent and a blessed body. But there is just something missing there.