@tour2ma said:

In bold, this^ for me as well. Ugh I'm more upset now that Hoyer couldn't keep his mojo through the entire season...

@everlastingxxx said:

Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.

Agreed on the part about the defense and the team playing terribly. All they had to do was stop the run and force Dalton to play. Even the little bit he did play he threw an interception. But they do NOT get a free pass. There will be talk about everything that went wrong yesterday, and Manziel will be included in a lot of it. Why? Because there was SO much talk about his special abilities and we'd be amazed. I was amazed all right...in the complete opposite way of what I was expecting. Not one play yesterday showed us any of what the JF fanboys guaranteed us. Nothing. Complete and utter fucking disaster. All he showed was he's in no way ready for the NFL.

I hope he does a 180 next week vs Panthers, and gets us to at least 8-8. The floor has been set. He can't go anywhere from here but up. Right?? Fuckity fuck fuck.

@mudfly said:

As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.

He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....

Just reinforces the "Hoyer lost the job; Johnny did not win it" angle.

On reads... per Johnny in his presser, he made them, game was not too fast, he just wasn't decisive enough and it lead to him holding onto the ball too long.

Example he offered was the INT in Hawk's direction. While the play screamed "late", as did most of his throws, late did not cause that INT. He threw ball to the inside of an out route and put nothing close to the velocity he is capable of into the throw. Hawk slowed and the ball was still behind him.

Result: Easy pickings... and not exactly great self-analysis.

Zombo said:

Sure didn't go the way it looking . . . way too much hype, and apparently the Browns believed it.

@jafbf said:

No problem there.

Zombo

@tiamat63 said:

What gets me is that, even as a rookie starting - you almost always see one play, just ONE that makes you go "damn, i can see why they were excited". Or "damn, nice throw".

I didn't see that once today with Johnny.

Me, neither...

@everlastingxxx said:

Oh I saw a couple of great plays. What I liked is he was willing to take some chances with the ball. Wasn't all check downs. He will be better next week. Go Browns!

@everlastingxxx said:

Nice throws on the move. One was dropped the other caught by Gordon. I thought he did a good job with managing the offense, nice tempo.

Forget "great throws"... this is a timing route offense. Hoyer showed us examples of this in every single game including his worst games.

Drop, hit back foot, step and gone... on time in rhythm.

Tell me how many throws were made on time today. I doubt your "nice throws on the move" will count. We did not run that many designed moves.

Take your time, but with only 18 throws it shouldn't take too long. We'll wait.

@everlastingxxx said:

Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.

Not at all, but Hoyer never got a free pass. Again the issues with the offense were magnified with Johnny under center, not improved.

@mudfly said:

As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.

He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....

Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it

Yep...There's a positive for all the fanboy fags. He really can't look any worse next week against Carolina than he did today so as long as he improves on that shit show today, it will be a step in the right direction. But he better show something next week or its not going to give us a lot of hope for the future.

@mark-o said:

As bad as the mechanics and reads were today, its pretty clear why the coaches were so reluctant to play him.

He looked lost and made a lot of bad reads. So, he's not NFL ready and has a lot to learn.....playing is the only way....

Ill be looking for noticeable adjustments on his part next week.....to see if he's taking the coaching.....cause today it didn't look like it

Dear god it was commercials commercials commercials...

Everything I saw was terrible, like gut wrenching about to vomit no better then the last 20 years bad.

Anyways, Cindy marched down the field and scored yet again, I believe it was around the 20 point mark, and when they went to commercial Elijah Wood was standing next to Joe Thomas with this look of horror on his face.

Then it hit me. It was Johnny Manziel. Dear god you could easily mistake those 2 for each other in public.

I vote we change the nickname from Johnny Football to Johnny Frodo.

@mark-o said:

What get's me is he is never showed anyone outside the state of Texas that he could be a GREAT NFL QB.

I watched Jason White dominate college football and win the Heisman but I wasn't one bit surprised it wasn't going to translate to the NFL.

@everlastingxxx said:

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. I believe he will be a great quarterback but I didn't say it would happen instantly. Only complete idiots would believe that. The entire team (including manziel) played horribly.

You can believe that all you want but he showed nothing today to back that statement up.

@everlastingxxx said:

Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.

Oh, I'm plenty pissed about the non-existent defense today. But I'm also pissed about the 117 yards of offense as well. The manzealots tried to make everyone believe that he could put up 40+ points a game without breaking a sweat. I'll give you credit for making an appearance today, which is more than I can say for some of the other nut swinging JF fanbois.

@everlastingxxx said:

Brown fans are so pissed at Manziel but no outrage over 244 rushing yards against the defense. They get a free pass. I think the shit play by the entire team is getting a free pass.

No the issue is Johnny fanboy faggots who have been telling us all year how much better the team would be with their boyfriend playing QB. Y'all got your wish and he shit all over himself and now there's actually some trying to make excuses for him or even trying to say that he didn't suck shitballs today.

The defense did him no favors at all today, however...he didn't show one ounce of NFL ability in that game today. Absolutely ZERO NFL ability.

@everlastingxxx said:

cmon man....this weeks story is Johnny.....stop trying to deflect

We've all been waiting a looooooooong time to discuss his play....its time

@everlastingxxx said:

I thought he did a good job with managing the offense, nice tempo.

Yeah...was fucking awesome managing the offense to zero fucking points and more punts than first downs. Give me a fucking break. He played like shit and didn't do a good job of anything.

@everlastingxxx said:

Then you're drunk

@tiamat63 said:

What gets me is that, even as a rookie starting - you almost always see one play, just ONE that makes you go "damn, i can see why they were excited". Or "damn, nice throw".

I didn't see that once today with Johnny.

I agree.. The only thing that was remotely decent was the pass that Hawkins dropped because if he didn't have his ability to scramble it's a sack and he made a good choice and threw a good pass.

@tiamat63 said:

He's the 8th pick in the draft who plays special teams, until he contributes he's on my list. I think Fuller is playing for the Bears

@tiamat63 said:

Like what? The chances I saw downfield were all late or high. One late pick and the other thrown directly at the safety...

What exactly did you see that I did not?

I saw brian hoyer throw numerous picks in the last few games. Are we seriously calling for this guy's head already? Seriously? If we are we're the worst fans in the world. Go Browns.

@baconhound said:

I haven't witnessed anything yet that would lead me to the Farmer/Haslam conclusion that he is "our guy". Even at A&M and with his Heisman year there are 3-5 guys each year in college football putting up those numbers, are we looking at Trevone Boykin next year? I mean for shit's sake Ray Farmer gets paid to evaluate talent and his first 2 picks were Justin Gilbert and Manziel...just don't get it.

Gilbert is a rook playing arguably the hardest position in the NFL. He's also been slowly improving over the course of the season. No reason to include his name here.