Zombo said:

so that's what he's doing with all his "football knowledge," that explains everything.....

@itoldyou said:

Pettine was forced by GM and Owner to start Manziel.

Is there any actual evidence that this happened?

"Pettine took a shit this morning that had more football knowledge than you and Johnny combined.

Zombo"

@baconhound said:

Of course he does. You have to give him at least one season before you toss him into the shitcan.

@soju said:

nobody knows how johnny or any player will pan out....unless they are lime a lebron james KD or AD. give Manziel TIME my God you guys will be kissing his anus if he explodes next gamw

Lol a win against the Panthers? Hahaha if he wins it won't be an anus kisisng experience it will just put false hope in those Manziel jock sniffers.

@soju said:

Exactly Soju.

@tacosman said:

Nobody is saying JF played well. Everyone watched the game. Nothing Pettine said was going to make a difference on that end. But what Pettine said didn't come across(in tone or style) as being supportive of his 22 yo first round qb. There are ways to encourage your franchise qb after a bad start- that was not the way.

Pettine was forced by GM and Owner to start Manziel. So of course he is going to slam a kid who doesn't work hard enough to get better.

@tour2ma said:

I hope you're right about Pettine and Farmer's future. I don't think Haslam got where he's gotten by standing back though. Hopefully, even if JFF has some bad days (though please no more Spurgeon Wynn-bad days, is that too much to expect?) the progress shows in 2015 so it's headed in the direction of the Aggie promises. Secondarily, hopefully on some of JFF's bad days, he can figure out ways to help us win some of those games ala Hoyer because this team can "game manage" its way to 9-10 wins next season.

Jan.-Sept. is a valid caveat with JFF. He and Josh Gordon could have a great night with the swans. Shanny, Dowell and Johnny better be putting in some long days in Berea, Vegas, College Station, wherever starting about Jan. 5 for the sake of all their stays in Cleveland.

- Playoff scenarios to a shit ton of "hopefully" in one day. It's great being a Browns fan.

@andruw-u said:

JFF will be the starter next year and, you're right, if it's a total bust, it'll be over before the end of the season, but it'll also be over for Pettine and probably Farmer, too. It'll be a total blow-up and rebuild. At this point I'd rather see another competition (be it Hoyer, Shaw - I'm more than half serious - , a draft pick), but I don't think that's what we'll get.

Maybe JM will be the starter, maybe the odds are that you are correct, but there are two more, 2014 games plus a whole lotta months between now and then.

Can't see a potential Manziel bust taking down Pettine and Farmer... even if Haslam had nothing to do with the pick.

Farmer had too many hits in 2014, many of which were on the cheap.

Pettine has a whole 2nd season of potential improvement ahead of him that will include healed pieces in schemes they will come into camp knowing well.

On the other hand... if Haslam was a factor in the pick, then a JM bust just might show him he best stand back and just sign the checks.

@tacosman said:

I just said a competition, not that JFF sucks and sucks forever. You could even go with "Manziel's the No. 1 going into the offseason/preseason/camp, but he's still got to earn it..." I'm relatively pro-JFF compared to a lotta people here right now, lol. If he's not good enough to clearly beat out Connor Shaw, then, um, what are we talking about here...

@andruw-u said:

JFF will be the starter next year and, you're right, if it's a total bust, it'll be over before the end of the season, but it'll also be over for Pettine and probably Farmer, too. It'll be a total blow-up and rebuild. At this point I'd rather see another competition (be it Hoyer, Shaw - I'm more than half serious - , a draft pick), but I don't think that's what we'll get.

At this point meaning after one start? Jesus....it's ONE START!

That said, you are right about Pettine. He is gone if the browns don't have a good 2015, and the browns won't have a good 2015 unless manziel succeeds. And if manziel doesn't have a good 2015, he always has a chance to pull a Bret Favre with another franchise, Pettine isn't going to get another hc shot.

@jcam222 said:

JFF will be the starter next year and, you're right, if it's a total bust, it'll be over before the end of the season, but it'll also be over for Pettine and probably Farmer, too. It'll be a total blow-up and rebuild. At this point I'd rather see another competition (be it Hoyer, Shaw - I'm more than half serious - , a draft pick), but I don't think that's what we'll get.

@jcam222 said:

He'll get 12 total 4 this year, 8 next. Just like Geno, EJ, Jemarcus, etc. that is the issue when you draft a QB in the first round.

@manzier said:

or trade for mariota? wasnt that your thread?

You both are fucking Retarded. STFU.

@andruw-u said:

and Hoyer's June-July vs. JFF's June-July, and today's offensive plan/plays made Tim Tebow's offense look downright sophisticated, and...we'll see. The good news, lol, we can have lots of patience for the next two games then JFF has Jan.-Aug. to either improve or ride swans.

I want to wreck this fucking league. It might start this coming Sunday. JFF has the next 18 games. Wreck this league or die trying. If not (or at least making lots of progress), it will be a total rebuild from the GM down starting Jan. 2016.

@bbedward said:

and Hoyer's June-July vs. JFF's June-July, and today's offensive plan/plays made Tim Tebow's offense look downright sophisticated, and...we'll see. The good news, lol, we can have lots of patience for the next two games then JFF has Jan.-Aug. to either improve or ride swans.

I want to wreck this fucking league. It might start this coming Sunday. JFF has the next 18 games. Wreck this league or die trying. If not (or at least making lots of progress), it will be a total rebuild from the GM down starting Jan. 2016.

@soju said:

nobody knows how johnny or any player will pan out....unless they are lime a lebron james KD or AD. give Manziel TIME my God you guys will be kissing his anus if he explodes next gamw

@everlastingxxx said:

Watching Romo tonight he has learned to throw the ball away. It took him a few years to learn that lesson. Manziel will too.

So basically it only took him 10 years to learn to throw the ball away... awesome example for Johnny or any QB prodigy.

@soju said:

or trade for mariota? wasnt that your thread?

@manzier said:

and if thats the case, should haslam fire his staff for the pick he forced upon them?

Can you fire the homeless?

@manzier said:

what you're really saying is they wont survive a bad Johnny

Well yeah if Johnny is bad in 2015 the team isn't likely to be good either.