@mudfly said:

Thank you......Ill take it and ask no more....

Looks like shanny had a plan and was gonna see it thru....maybe an adjustment at the end....maybe an anomaly....

LOL.. the "cut off" was a joke... just being sure.

I thought The Pistol and the read option were going to be significant in the CIN game. But once the read-option falls to the wayside, I no longer see enough advantage in the Pistol to make any OC stick with it.

Late in the game everything that was not a Pistol was a Shotgun formation.

@tour2ma said:

Thank you......Ill take it and ask no more....

Looks like shanny had a plan and was gonna see it thru....maybe an adjustment at the end....maybe an anomaly....

Gonna be a verrrry interesting game...looking fwd to seeing what shanny does with him.....

for me this weeks game is like door #3 on let's make a deal

@mudfly said:

Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?

But.. but... but... Johnny was supposed to put an end to stacking vs. the run. So if it did not that means that people here were lying to us... StockBoy was lying to us... *sniff*

Now to bizness... I am very close to offering subscriptions...

1st Half

S1: 3 plays ... no pistols

S2: 3 plays ... 2 power pistols

S3: 5 plays ... 2 pistols and 2 power pistols

S4: 3 plays ... no pistols

S5:11 plays ... 6 pistols

2nd Half

S6: 3 plays ... 3 pistols

S7: 3 plays ... 3 pistols

S8: 7 plays ... 3 pistols

S9: 3 plays ... no pistols

S10:1 plays ... nada pistol

JM was under center only 4 times the entire game: 2 I's, 1 power I, and one SingleBack.

I feel pretty safe in saying that SB has been our most productive formation this year...

... but if you ask for the data I will cut you off.

@mudfly said:

It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""

I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....

Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?

Pretty much what everybody was saying teams were doing to Hoyer then?

I don't understand running so many pistol sets in the game, non-adaptable game planning by shanahan. Maybe the coaches saw something on tape that they thought they could exploit cincy with.

Regardless, the fact the offense wasn't working should have provoked shanahan to make some changes - but it didn't.

@tour2ma said:

It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""

I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....

Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?

@mudfly said:

Great thanks.....so compiled....

Except IND and CIN were home games...

The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.

The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....

@tour2ma said:

Great thanks.....so compiled....

01 - 21/67 - @PTG

02 - 12/75 - NO

03 - 6/62 -- BLT

05 - 5/78 -- @TN

06 - 1/59 -- PTG

07 - 8/76 -- @JAX

08 - 3/56 -- OAK

09 - 1/65 -- TB

10 - 1/77 -- @CIN

11 - 4/72 -- HOU

12 - 3/76 -- @ATL

13 - 3/70 -- @BUF

14 - 4/64 -- @ Indy

15 - 22/42 -- @Cinn

Wow! Big difference.....

So, ima guess this is an attempt to "utilize" JFF's special skills? As opposed to asking him to perform more like a prototype pocket QB?

I know Ive heard many say we should adopt a special offensive system that highlights his strengths and all....but now maybe they're saying "why did we change things up for Johnny?"....I dunno...

So, this week do we go back to the Hoyer style offense and not use JFF's skills?....or do we stick with the JFF's Special offense and put him(and the team) in a difficult position because it's not what Hoyer had??

@mudfly said:

Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?

Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????

I can send you a PM with my PayPal addy...

This past week, as you are likely now aware, our Pistol count was:

Week 15 22/42 vs. CIN ... Even added a "Full-House" pistol.

Also ran 2 in IND's 2nd half for a total of 4/64.

And Ever... I saw a grand total of 2 read-options vs. CIN.

The first JM kept after a gross misread, and the DE buried him.

The second was a near disaster as West bobbled the ball on his way to an 8-yard gain.

A few other Pistols had Read-option looks, but weren't. They were either predetermined hand-offs or PAP calls.

@logicisforsquares said:

I think it is a great way to get Manziel murdered.

It's also a good way to put interior lineman on IR.

GO BROWNS !

@tour2ma said:

Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?

Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????

@tacosman said:

Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....

Turn off your Xbox.

@everlastingxxx said:

Wow way to go out on a limb

@tacosman said:

Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....

@tacosman said:

Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....

But I thought JF was a playmaker?

@tacosman said:

@tour2ma said:

Anyway looks like Leg gets the memory award...

That's pretty impressive given all the weed I used to smoke. My quitting now seems so validated.

As for my theory of a possible more simplified version of Shanny's offense being run from the pistol, any thoughts?

Anyway looks like Leg gets the memory award...

After very early, impassioned affair with the pistol, we put it away for the most part except for a little flirting. Usually in situations where we were behind... Dawggie style?

Week-Pistols/Plays

01 - 21/67 - @PTG

02 - 12/75 - NO

03 - 6/62 -- BLT

05 - 5/78 -- @TN

06 - 1/59 -- PTG

07 - 8/76 -- @JAX

08 - 3/56 -- OAK

09 - 1/65 -- TB

10 - 1/77 -- @CIN

11 - 4/72 -- HOU

12 - 3/76 -- @ATL

13 - 3/70 -- @BUF

14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND

15 -

Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.

@typicalbrowns said:

Wish they would've ran the offense Hoyer ran. Seemed like everyone was off on offense. Timing and everything

Manziel never really played under center in college maybe that's part of it. Regardless running pistol every series didn't seem to help him.

@typicalbrowns said:

I Totally agree. I will admit JM looked like shit and at times he looked way over whelmed. This is just my observation tho, the total offense looked like they were all confused, and not on the same page. I believe its because they went pistol and read option so much, the line and everyone else was not familiar in playing that style. So my blame is more on the staff that they played a style the O was not used to playing. Go back to the original style, and let JM scramble and ad-lib if needed. Just My 2 cents.

Not sure how on or off this assessment may be, but its what I thought.

@everlastingxxx said:

I think it is a great way to get Manziel murdered.