@the-gipper said:

How about that whole Law & Order franchise??

Completely played out and, now, getting kind of ridiculous.

4. Which TV shows do you think have jumped the shark at this point?

Happy Days? Sorry, not sure what you are going for here...

Current TV shows that were once very good but now have fallen into mediocrity...or worse.

@everlastingxxx said:

BTW, lets not hi-jack Gippers thread.

Gip doesn't mind... do ya Gip?

@everlastingxxx said:

Defense got you to 7-7. I guess i am more forgiving of a rookie qb making his first start than i am with a defense that has been the backbone of the team.

Backbone? Que?

Backbone-like Defensive efforts: PTG II, CIN I, IND... that's 3 of 14 outings.

Backbone my ass...

@mohican said:

Zombo said:

1. Can you remember the Browns playing a worse game than Sunday. If so, what game?

To me 30-0 is the worst score that you can lose by. Because I associate it with a humiliating loss in my childhood.

1972, I was 8 years old. The Browns and Steelers were both 8-3 and tied for First Place. The Steelers were the young up and coming team, the Browns were trying to hold on to faded glory. I lived in Steeler country. All of my family, my friends, my schoolmates ... all Steeler fans. It was me against the world. And the Steelers spanked the Browns 30-0. I remember sitting there red-faced, watching the TV screen, not believing my eyes. 30-0. The abuse I took that week just made me more of a Browns fan. But whenever I fantasize about beating a team so soundly that nothing can be questioned ... the score in my fantasy is 30-0.

Have there been worse? Ya, Opening game 99. Also, I once sat in Jacksonville, freezing my ass off the week Spergon Wynn made his start for the Browns. We did nothng. Looked helpless just like Sunday. Lost 41-0 or 48-0, something like that. I also remember a playoff game when I was even younger, against the Vikings when we lost 51-3. I still remember Fred Cox of the Vikings kicking off every five minutes. I think that one traumatized me as well.

2. Which NFL coaches deserve to be fired at the end of the year.....or will be even if they don't deserve it.?

I think Philbin is done in Miami, Smith in Atlanta, Rex is NY, Chicago is probably going to reboot ... I'm sure there are others, but hose come quickly to mind.

3. The question always asked this time of Year: What is your favorite Christmas movie?

It's a Wonderful Life

4. Which TV shows do you think have jumped the shark at this point?

I really don't watch TV shows but If I have to name one ... Castle. Castle has jumped the shark.

5. What is your opinion of this year's list of Rock N Roll Hall of Fame Inductees, those being Green Day, Bill Withers, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Lou Reed, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

All very worthy.

i think that 51-3 loss to the vikes was not a playoff game...i remember it well....lived in allentown pa at the time...nfl games back then only showed scores when they occured. not like today where they keep scrolling them during the game you are watching...but it seemed like every 2 minutes they would be showing that score with the vikes scoring..it was in a snow storm...however we did lose a playoff game to the vikes that same yr...it was the nfl championship game...we lost 27-7 me thinks....

@tml1138 said:

@tml1138 said:

@the-gipper said:

I think he's referring to the HOF awards part of it. Which I'm pretty much the same. I used to watch the Oscars, but then I realized why do I care about this stuff? I'm not a musician or an actor, nor do I have friends or family in those businesses.

And why Everxxx, why did you bring him up here in this thread?

@the-gipper said:

I like Die Hard a lot. One of my favorite action flicks. I never saw it much as a "Christmas movie" though. Just an action movie that happens to take place during Christmas time.

@jrb12711 said:

1. Can you remember the Browns playing a worse game than Sunday. If so, what game?

Honestly for me this was the worst game tied with with the game we lost against Cincy is 2007 when the playoffs were hanging in the balance. Both games we laid eggs when it mattered most.

3. The question always asked this time of Year: What is your favorite Christmas movie?

How the Grinch Stole Christmas, we still watch it every year on VHS.

1. I thought about that game too, but this one was worse to me. Maybe because it's more recent, but I think it has to do with the hopes of JM as our future QB. Even that year DA was doing well...I never had confidence in him long term.

2. You still own...and operate...a VCR? Ok then. Not a dig, just don't know anyone myself who still uses them.

@the-gipper said:

@the-gipper said:

@everlastingxxx said:

This was actually a nice fun thread(one of the few on the board).....and it was fresh because we didn't have any Johnny on it.....

Then your Texas manlove couldnt be denied and polluted yet another thread.....

Shoulda just put your defensive rant(which weve now heard over and over) on the excuse thread and your "Johnny will great" up your ass....

Do you have to declare this shit on EVERY thread?

@everlastingxxx said:

Please dont call me names. We can talk like grown ups. I have said a number of times that he did not play well. Just about every post here is talking about how poorly Johnny played. The defense has hardly been talked about.

The defense could have scored points like they did last week. They could have provided better field position. The Browns offense only had 9 possessions in the game vs the 14 they had last week. Just providing some perspective.

BTW, lets not hi-jack Gippers thread.

Here's some perspective: You want more plays? Make first downs. They give you more plays.

Keeps your defense rested too.

Defense has played well most of the year. Bungles had a good game plan, I dont know why more teams dont run on us every down, because you certainly can't pass on us. Dalton cant.

So they had a bad outing. Manziel has had one start and it was like the worst start in the history of quarterbacks. So excuse me if I am a little more forgiving of the defense that got us to 7-6.

Z

@everlastingxxx said:

See what happens when you don't have an opinion on music. But it is OK. One of the questions was: have you seen a worse performance by the Browns. Keep it in context of that.

I assume Zombo's opinion is "No, particularly by the offense" and your opinion was "the defense was equally bad."

(it could have been 73-0.....the Bengals would have had to put another 43 up to match)

1976 Rams 59 Falcons 0

2009 Pats 59 Titans 0

2012 Seahawks 58 Cardinals 0

Of course largest margin of victory in any game ever occurred in the 1940 NFL Championship game: Bears 73 Redskins 0

Zombo said:

Bottom line, both offense and defense were both pretty awful. Epically so.

So lets go put a 66 spot on Carolina?

I believe there are two games that hold the Browns record for worst margin of loss:

11/12/1967 lost to the Packers 55-7

11/9/1969 lost to the Vikings 51-3...the game Zombo remembers.

48 point margin

Funny thing though...the Browns were good teams both those years. They made the playoffs then when it was harder to do so than now.

On the other hand, from what I can gather, these are the Browns largest wins:

11/7/1954 Browns 62 Redskins 3 59 point margin

Opening game 1989 Browns 51 Steelers 0 51 pt margin

Most points scored by the Browns: 66-14 vs. Brooklyn 1945 (AAFC) 52 pt. margin

While in NFL: 62 see game above, also beat Giants 62-14 in 1953.

@everlastingxxx said:

You're being a little bitch because Johnny played so poorly.

That doesn't play around here homey.

Man up ... 54 yards, 3 1st downs and zero points is 54 yards, 3 1st downs and zero points.

You can call out the defense, but you gotta call out the midget too. He was unbelievably awful.

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

Here is this week's Opinion Survey. Give your opinions or answers:

1. Can you remember the Browns playing a worse game than Sunday. If so, what game?

Against the Seahawks in the Kingdome, We lost 44-0 but their running back got hurt. His name was Kurt Warner .

2. Which NFL coaches deserve to be fired at the end of the year.....or will be even if they don't deserve it.?

Rex Ryan, Mike Smith, Rob Ryan, Lovie Smith and his assistant coaches,

3. The question always asked this time of Year: What is your favorite Christmas movie?

Christmas In Conecticutt", starring Barbara Stanwyck on TCM CHANNEL.

4. Which TV shows do you think have jumped the shark at this point?

?

5. What is your opinion of this year's list of Rock N Roll Hall of Fame Inductees, those being Green Day, Bill Withers, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Lou Reed, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

@the-gipper said:

@everlastingxxx said:

Did you mean to say Offensive effort?

Because, granted the defense didn't play well, gave up a ton of yards on the ground, including that last garbage time drive.

But the OFFENSE managed three fucking first downs (plus two by penalty) and had 54 yards passing.

Surely you have seen worse defense in your life. Still haven't seen a team win a game by scoring zero points.

Zombo

@the-gipper said: