@bbedward said:

So we have:

- Haden played like the best corner in the game until last weeks injury

- Skrine who had a near pro bowl campaign and has consistently gotten better, barring some of the ticky penalty habits

- Gilbert who has been showing flashes, but for some reason (lesser practice quality?) isn't getting much time on the field. I believe he'll be good still.

- Williams UDFA who has come in and played like a stud

- Desir 4th rounder who got his first legit NFL time yesterday and played like a stud

In addition to:

- Gipson who was destined for Hawaii

- Whitner who has been solid, albeit I still think Ward's better. Possibly pro bowl level.

- Leonard the vet who replaced Gipson and didn't miss a beat.

It's been a long time we've been clamoring about how badly we need a secondary. Well don't look now but we have a young, talented backfield that could potentially be the best in the NFL very soon...

We have plenty of ammo to beef up the LOS on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are so down on this team.

As for that ridiculous gave himself up rule... Maybe he was just protesting Ferguson? Don't shoot Ref!

WSS

@clevfan4life said:

BACON MMMMMMMMM

@bbedward said:

It's been a long time we've been clamoring about how badly we need a secondary. Well don't look now but we have a young, talented backfield that could potentially be the best in the NFL very soon...

The phrase "an embarrassment of riches" comes to mind.

But I do not see us standing pat... in fact, I will be shocked if at least one of our DBs is not traded before Kick Off 2015... possibly as soon as the draft.

@darkside5 said:

Think it might be a good idea to cut down on some calories bro

It usually happens when a player intercepts a pass and while running he falls to the ground and gives up to end the game. Or when the running back breaks through the line for a game ending first down and before he runs out of bounds he falls down to keep the clock moving.

as for Skrine, he is NOT a pro bowl player. He has gotten better each year, that is for sure, but he still commits way to many penalties. 14 penalties this year, 9 accepted, 3 declined, and 1 offsetting.

@bbedward said:

Bingo.

I think Pettine & Farmer have already finished step #1 in this defense...a shut down "man to man" defensive backfield

Next...front 7....they'll get it done. And next year, with this Backfield gelling and all these young guys one year better....we WILL be shutting down passing games week after week....this year, they just adjusted and ran at us....next year, hopefully, they wont be able to

- Haden played like the best corner in the game until last weeks injury

- Skrine who had a near pro bowl campaign and has consistently gotten better, barring some of the ticky penalty habits

- Gilbert who has been showing flashes, but for some reason (lesser practice quality?) isn't getting much time on the field. I believe he'll be good still.

- Williams UDFA who has come in and played like a stud

- Desir 4th rounder who got his first legit NFL time yesterday and played like a stud

In addition to:

- Gipson who was destined for Hawaii

- Whitner who has been solid, albeit I still think Ward's better. Possibly pro bowl level.

- Leonard the vet who replaced Gipson and didn't miss a beat.

It's been a long time we've been clamoring about how badly we need a secondary. Well don't look now but we have a young, talented backfield that could potentially be the best in the NFL very soon...

We have plenty of ammo to beef up the LOS on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are so down on this team.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Browns-cornerback-Pierre-Desir-blankets-Panthers-receiver-Kelvin-Benjamin/9d48d967-05f4-4093-bea2-f8fb73dd490b

As for the ruling... broadcast interpretation seemed to ultimately hang it's hat on the down player (Winn) handing the ball to the standing player (Poyer). I can't find that rule.

As for giving up... Winn did go fetal for a beat (or two) before Poyer made his grab for the ball and that opened the door for the ruling. The end zone replay showed a few CAR players "stopping" at that point.

I think it was the correct call, but the whistle was late.

As far as the call, absolutely terrible. Blow the whistle when you say he's down, whether that's because he "gave up" or got touched.

The rule should be, when you get touched down you're down. Why have rules that are subject to such debate when it could just be so much simpler.

GO BROWNS !