@baconhound said:

When we lined up Gabriel, Hawkins & Benjamin it looked like a High School team

But played like a professional playoff team. When Gordon returned they started playing like a high school team.

Can anyone tell me the last team that won a Super Bowl with a superstar WR?

I did like his reference to the schedule next year, at least he knows the schedule was easy this year.

@tour2ma said:

yep...they just said on the radio that Hoyer took it down .....

Hoyer's nameplate probably does signify an end, no matter who took it down.

could it be Brian did?....just in case he isnt back?

because technically, Brian is no longer a Brown, while Gordon was.

@bbedward said:

They left Gordon's Locker prepped when he got suspended after the Draft, so that causes me to wonder.

@mohican said:

who Im sure would love to throw to Gordon.....

@westside-steve said:

@jafbf said:

Is it really that telling? He's a UFA.

@mudfly said:

The Raiders have Carr, who I then and now would have liked to have gotten with the Johnny Pick. We could have stayed in that spot.

@baconhound said:

The Browns did better with them in the lineup, healthy than with Gordon.....

@jafbf said:

Brian took a souvenir?.....my guess...

Douche bag Skip Bayless just called Johnny an alcoholic and a liar....hahahaha.....this is getting hilarious really.....and Johnny says he didn't have a party, he was just out partying with friends from Texas(because there's a difference) and he has to stop being a jackass(his words)....hahahaha....you cant write this stuff

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/12/skip-bayless-called-johnny-manziel-alcoholic-liar-espn-first-take

Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 21m 21 minutes ago In #Browns locker room, Brian Hoyer's nameplate removed from his locker.

@westside-steve said:

Im not so sure.....#1) that he'll ever even win a game here.....#2) that the haters will do the money sign if he does...

My guess is that neither will ever happen. The next time the money sign shows up on Cleveland is when we SACK Johnny....

@tour2ma said:

Gordon: I still hold out hope for him for two reasons. First, he performed last year. Second, because contrary to what some are posting here, he does not have one foot on a banana peel forever. After a year of clean tests, he gets a partial reset.

I want to see what Josh does through a full, normal season... Training Camp through Week 17, 2015.

Gilbert: Young and impressionable? OK.. I'll buy it for a second year.

Manziel: This is the guy I use to send the message. Even forgoing the tweet during the BLT game, there's the mid-week mea culpa followed by the party on Friday. That was my personal "straw". I see nothing here of value. I see only a void sucking the life out of my team. That's how he should be treated.

Im with you .....almost.......

Gordon: While I see the benefits of trying again with him, I also see this coaching staff is committed to getting the right type of players and clearly Josh doesn't meet that criteria. It would be hypocrisy for them to keep the "good" player, but let go of the others for behavioral reasons. Plus, with his contract status AND massive talent, I think we can get something for him. So, I'd like to see us trade him. As Ive said before....a "move up" package....

Gilbert: Because he has obvious talent and has flashed potential several times, I think we should keep him and try again next year. I think he looks weak mentally, but only time will tell. 1 more year.

Manziel: Yep. I think he has to go. He's had a massive negative effect on this team and no positives that I can see. All the HUGE negatives that were discussed BEFORE the draft have manifested in spades through out the season. I think he has divided the fans and possibly the locker room. Maybe the worst pick since Craig Powell...There are A LOT of teams desperate for a qb, I say add him to the "trade up" bait and get him the hell outta here!!!!

Jim Donovan was just on KNR saying he is poison...I agree

@tour2ma said:

I think that is a good assessment. They heard from the owner yesterday their behavior is not going to be tolerated for much longer. I think he means it.

WSS

@tml1138 said:

WSS, if Manziel would've worked harder so he could do the walk along with the talk, then yes people would be behind him. But:

1. He's shown he doesn't work hard, just parties, and his performance showed that.

///He's showing nothing of the sort. He's shown that he does party but there's no credible evidence that he doesn't also work hard. His performance shows a rookie thrown into the fire after a team collapse.///

2. He admits he hasn't worked hard enough and blamed that on his poor showing.

3. Continues to screw off and party, and now affecting other players.

///any professional looking back on any kind of failure will kick themselves in the ass and say man maybe I should have worked harder. After the Cincinnati game do you think Joe Thomas whose performance was horrendous might have looked back and say damn it I wish I prepared a little more?/////

3/////and the haters would say if he didn't party with his teammates he wasn't bonding with them./////

Tour, I agree with you on all three, except I'm not sure yet I'd be so lenient with Gordon. Let's just say I'll be fine with whatever the staff decides to do with him. If they decide he has to go, better be for some kind of trade, not just a cut.

1. He's shown he doesn't work hard, just parties, and his performance showed that.

2. He admits he hasn't worked hard enough and blamed that on his poor showing.

3. Continues to screw off and party, and now affecting other players.

Tour, I agree with you on all three, except I'm not sure yet I'd be so lenient with Gordon. Let's just say I'll be fine with whatever the staff decides to do with him. If they decide he has to go, better be for some kind of trade, not just a cut.

@the-cysko-kid said:

dont think anybody will give Gordon a big contract, BUT i do think someone will give him an incentive laden contract. Perform well and get paid well. Act like an ass and get paid like one too.

JFF will be just like Tebow. Even if he changes hands, there will be legions of fans who think he'll come around and the Browns just mishandled him. And there will be legions of fans who think he's a bust and a jerk. And that will never change until he is either GREAT or out of the league.

@the-cysko-kid said:

No I don't think it is. After all not being with the Cleveland Browns might sound like a reward to gordon and manziel. But if they leave they aren't going to get this sort of leeway anywhere else. Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.

But the first time he wins a game here all the haters will be on their feet making the money sign. We have some fickle assholes around here. But as far as going elsewhere who can imagine Brian Hoyer being signed to a starting contract and being guaranteed he won't be benched if he has a rough patch of games? Who would suggest that outside of Cleveland Ohio?

WSS

@the-cysko-kid said:

"They're young kids. We're going to work with them -- hopefully they grow up. But if they can't grow up and they can't be responsible to their teammates and the coaches and our great fans, then they won't be with the Cleveland Browns."-Jimmy Haslam

Is that scary enough? He's more forgiving than I would be at this point, but I don't have $$ in this game either.