I'm all Brownsed out for a while and will be back to the forum in a few days/weeks, and by the time I re-engage, I'm sure Johnny will have matured beyond belief, have a full understanding of the playbook and will be slinging it better than Aaron Rodgers.

@texasag1969 said:

semantics....really....whether JFF 'had a party" or was 'entertaining out of town guests" is a mute point...

Bottom line is that he stayed out past 3 getting drunk with his buddies and overslept and wasnt there for the pre game....and he missed his therapy too(same week, I think)....he's a douche...

@texasag1969 said:

So you assume he is telling the truth I suppose? I mean its not like everything that comes from his mouth is bullshit right?? DOH

Seriously what Manziel says doesnt fucking matter. He has been saying the right things since prior to the draft. Says it right, does it wrong, fucker admits he is a jackass, nuff said

"I would rather be functional internally and appear dysfunctional externally."

@opal312 said:

So since we all hung him for it anyway no use cutting down the rope? Love that logic.

@tour2ma said:

yep...his exact words on the QB situation were it's "muddy"(I like it ) and JFFs play was "not encouraging".....

@mudfly said:

Gilbert.....gonna stay with him. Said the players were hardest on him "because the vets see how great he can be"....which sounds good for Gilbert, but Im not hearing that same thing from them about JFF

Certainly the most glaring between the lines gap...

@tour2ma said:

He took some good hits in the kidney area no doubt.

Hoyer.....sounds like he's gone, which is a bit surprising actually.

Gordon...."as of right now, he's a Brown"....says it all....he's gone

Gilbert.....gonna stay with him. Said the players were hardest on him "because the vets see how great he can be"....which sounds good for Gilbert, but Im not hearing that same thing from them about JFF

Manziel....couldn't get a read on that, other than he said they will not start him just because he's a first. And that he has been a negative force for this team. Also said that the position is very unsettled and they'll have to get to work. Not a glowing assessment for JFF. I still think they'll investigate options and take anything nearing decent value(3rd or better)

Shaw "was peeing blood last night."

Have confidence in Shanny and his system? "Yes." --- rather emphatic.

Definitely most hopeful for Gilbert and least for Gordon, but not writing off any that I heard.

Gordon: "At crossroads this off-season."

Gilbert: "Technically suspended for game 16. Just too late to file suspension"

Manziel: "At point where his actions are far more important than his words."

@tour2ma said:

Highlight of that one was JFF saying he's gotta stop being a jackass

They might be looking for transcript of those comments.

I know I have been...

... and here they are.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12093069/cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-says-back-words-action

... and here we go...

@texasag1969 said:

Just saw a head go by . . . these are late more often than not

@texasag1969 said:

nope...hasnt started....still huddled somewhere talking about 'what if they ask this?"

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Mike-Pettine-Post-Game-Press-Conference---1228/0faf519b-c279-40e8-8c45-d4e7a5816b2b

@mudfly said:

Think that about covers it....

LOL.. I feel like I was there...

@mudfly said:

Listening to the radio now and Aaron Hammer was just yappin away knocking Farmer for blowing both first round picks and HE was the loudest most vocal advocate for drafting Manziel anywhere.....he is a Retarded hypocrite

Nah... just a talking head. It's the only occupation known to man where the memory has to be shorter than that of an NFL Cornerback.

@canton-dawg said:

haha....been here before.....many many times

Listening to the radio now and Aaron Hammer was just yappin away knocking Farmer for blowing both first round picks and HE was the loudest most vocal advocate for drafting Manziel anywhere.....he is a Retarded hypocrite

@mudfly said:

yep....me too....2pm

I doubt we'll get any real answers though, but do expect some tough talk for the "3" party boys and optimistic words about next year....

A lot of we learned by our mistakes, took some steps forward, took some steps backward, got youth that needs to grow, got some youth that need to learn, will get rid of players who dont play like Browns, will look to add players who do play like Browns, and will review the whole year and look for ways to improve....

Think that about covers it....

I doubt we'll get any real answers though, but do expect some tough talk for the "3" party boys and optimistic words about next year....

A lot of we learned by our mistakes, took some steps forward, took some steps backward, got youth that needs to grow, got some youth that need to learn, will get rid of players who dont play like Browns, will look to add players who do play like Browns, and will review the whole year and look for ways to improve....

Think that about covers it....