VesnaKociper said:

There is nothing about this thread that indicates where we will be next year either.....did you even read it?

It's simply a roster comparison to last year...no projections....just a look back to discuss

Conversely, your post is negative horseshit.....

VesnaKociper said:

... it is impossible to point to ANY positive aspect of this team and project that we will recapture those things, PLUS add improvements.

====> O-line <====

Not only not impossible, but did it twice... in the same line.

VesnaKociper said:

I don't think the franchise was a disorganized mess. They had crucial injuries....expecially to Alex Mack and on the defense......and their QB situation turned into a disorganized mess. But that was just that one critical position. Had Brian Hoyer continued to play the way he did in the first half of the season, this would have been a fairly successful year. But he didn't.

@bbedward said:

Bingo! We have a winner. I like this thread. Much more positive than most I have seen here since joining the "family".

@tour2ma said:

Im just comparing roster spots...not starts or performance.....so Hoyer 2013 = Hoyer 2014 (a wash)...then it's #1 pick weeden VS #1 pick Manziel (and Weeden wins)....then it's Campbell VS Shaw (and, at this point, Campbell wins)....so, in the end, if I had to field a team to win a game today, I d rather have the 3 from 2013 than the 3 from 2014

And listening isnt bad if it allows you to reassess and be objective.....

@westside-steve said:

"I'm always right and I never lie."

Hey....I resemble that comment......

@tour2ma said:

Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot.

As candidate George Leroy Tirebiter said:

"I'm always right and I never lie."

WSS

@mark-o said:

QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot.

@mudfly said:

I reassessed and think you make a good arguement....and agree....so I went back and edited....all fixed

Only Nixon could go to China.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

I reassessed and think you make a good arguement....and agree....so I went back and edited....all fixed

Weeden never looked as bad as Johnny did in his six quarters. And I'd say Jason Campbell would probably be selected over Connor Shaw by any team in the league though without any gusto.

WSS

@thenew23 said:

No doubt....and short of a miracle, there wont be a QB answer anytime soon....so, I say build the shit out of the rest of the team, rather than overspending on retread QB's and making foolish reaches in the draft...

2 questions remain:

1. How many of our guys who are FAs are going to return?

2. Who is our qb?

Until we can answer question 2, we are spinning our wheels. I don't see a simple solution here either...

@browns149 said:

@mark-o said:

QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

@browns149 said:

It did improve for some of the season, but at the end of the season it was no better then last year

While I agree with these points, I am basically just comparing the "roster personnel" and not really accounting for individual performances....which can get real muddy real fast.....

Defensive Line:

Rather than list them all twice, lets say we had the same core group as last year...k?

Score.......0 (even)....no significant changes in personnel

Linebackers:

Last year.....Robertson, Kruger, Sheard, Jackson, Mingo, Carder & Eubanks

This year.....Robertson, Kruger, Sheard, Dansby, Mingo, Kirksey & Solomon

Score..........+1....the additions of Dansby and Kirksey really upgraded us

Safety:

Last year:....Gipson, Ward, Bademosi, Aubrey

This year.....Gipson, Whitner, Leonard, Poyer

Score.........+1...upgraded slightly, but very close to even

Corner Back:

Last year.....Haden, Skrine, McFadden, Owens & Posey

This year.....Haden, Skrine, Williams, Desir, Gilbert & Nelson

Score..........+1....HUGE upgrade in talent and depth

Special Teams:

Last year.....Cundiff, Lanning, Benjamin and whomever

This year.....The same....

Score..........-1...we couldn't return punts all season long. That is a complete malfunction. Minus minus minus.

Ok....so Defense and Special teams could have a max score of 5 or a minimum score of minus 5.....

Browns score = +2

SO, in summary, out of 12 possible upgrade points, we scored a +6

8 areas improved

2 areas stayed even

2 area got worse.....

@mark-o said:

It did improve for some of the season, but at the end of the season it was no better then last year

Yes we have the same guys but Cameron was way worse this year. Injuries hurt that position really bad this year, but it was a -1 for me. The production, even when Cameron was healthy was way off from last year