<![CDATA[does character count?]]>Just a hypothetical. Was talking with a buddy a couple of weeks back about this and wondered how you guys felt.

The genie makes you an offer. We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat?

WSS

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@baconhound said:

Got me!

Could be I have you confused with somebody else.

WSS

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@unsympathetic said:

The good example regarding character in the 2015 draft is Dorial Green-Beckham.

Top-5 talent, Aaron Hernandez attitude.

Exactly...

After the fiasco of Josh Gordon and Johnny Fucking Football, it's hard to imagine the solution being Winston and Green-Beckham.....

Yet, some are suggesting it....hahaha

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/470118https://brownsboard.com/post/470118Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:30:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:23:33 GMT]]>The good example regarding character in the 2015 draft is Dorial Green-Beckham.

Top-5 talent, Aaron Hernandez attitude.

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@westside-steve said:

That's a fact when it comes to dealing with trolls.

WSS

Got me!

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@baconhound said:

Do you own a TV?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/6854942/dennis-rodman-addition-put-bulls-top

oh wait, no, facts, oh shit now it's time to call me names.

That's a fact when it comes to dealing with trolls.

WSS

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@erniecamacho84 said:

"That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people."

- Gordon Gekko, Wall Street

Sarcasm....ever hear of it?

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@westside-steve said:

You believe anything that dickhead says ???

WSS

Do you own a TV?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/6854942/dennis-rodman-addition-put-bulls-top

oh wait, no, facts, oh shit now it's time to call me names.

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@usfbrown said:

Ah! That is bad. Didn't know that about him.

You believe anything that dickhead says ???

WSS

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@lodilobo said:

I could deal with the woman beater, the child abuser, and the murderer....but not the dog killer.

"That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people."

- Gordon Gekko, Wall Street

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@usfbrown said:

Ah! That is bad. Didn't know that about him.

Yeah but you had a strong leader in Phil Jackson who kept the nonsense from hurting the on the court performance.

I believe under Bob Hill at San Antonio prior to Chicago it didn't work.

I've got faith that Pettine is kind of a badass but the question is does his lack of NFL success hurt his ability to pull Gordon aside and say, "you're taking plays off and pouting, I'll take some of it if you know what the fuck you are doing and dominate when needed" aka "be Randy Moss"

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@baconhound said:

No but he missed practices, showed up late to shoot arounds, wouldn't sit on the bench, lead the league in technicals, etc..

You get nervous with Gordon, even though I'd keep him, and Suh because they seem prone to losing games for being knuckleheads.

Character is like moral victories or clubhouse chemistry, not much of a consolation for losing.

Ah! That is bad. Didn't know that about him.

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@usfbrown said:

True but Dennis was weird. I don't recall him ever hurting people of animals tho.

No but he missed practices, showed up late to shoot arounds, wouldn't sit on the bench, lead the league in technicals, etc..

You get nervous with Gordon, even though I'd keep him, and Suh because they seem prone to losing games for being knuckleheads.

Character is like moral victories or clubhouse chemistry, not much of a consolation for losing.

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@baconhound said:

Character is only an issue if you think it will affect playing time. Dennis Rodman who was probably one of the most dysfunctional athletes of all time is a hall of fame player because his antics were annoying but didn't affect his production.

True but Dennis was weird. I don't recall him ever hurting people of animals tho.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/470010https://brownsboard.com/post/470010Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:49:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:35:12 GMT]]>Character is only an issue if you think it will affect playing time. Dennis Rodman who was probably one of the most dysfunctional athletes of all time is a hall of fame player because his antics were annoying but didn't affect his production.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/470007https://brownsboard.com/post/470007Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:35:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:26:20 GMT]]>I see the AP as much different than the rest , my general answer though is no. Character matters a lot to me when I interview for hiring.

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@westside-steve said:

Tmi1138

Sorry no hostility meant.

WSS

No worries. Thanks.

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@westside-steve said:

Just a hypothetical. Was talking with a buddy a couple of weeks back about this and wondered how you guys felt.

The genie makes you an offer. We sign Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Michael Vick and the Browns will be favored to win the AFC Championship Game. Do you take that deal or do you stand pat?

WSS

Very good player, was washed up before punching his old lady, old, and fragile/old. I would take the deal if the other three made sure that Adrian Peterson used time outs with his kids so long as he is under contract with the Browns.

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Sorry no hostility meant.

WSS

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@westside-steve said:

Yeah I'd hate Vick more if he did the same to the same amount of human. That would mean kidnapping people's children and torturing folks to death for fun. Yeah you got me there. That would be worse. But I don't want Idi Amin or Pol Pot as quarterback either.

WSS

Obviously he'd be locked up/on death row/executed if he did that. Not sure why the smart ass tone though. Did you read my post right?

@miktoxic said:

if vick did to humans what he did to dogs he be one of the more prolific serial killers in history.

Indeed.

@junkyard-dawg said:

Yeah I don't really get people using that as justification for Dog Killer. The fact is he didn't kill humans and if he had he wouldn't be in the NFL, he would be on Death Row. To flip their justification: Some people act like Dog Killer was flushing Gold Fish down the toilet or smashing spiders on the wall and NOT torturing and massacring hundreds of dogs like a fucking gutless coward.

There is that too. I guess my question is then, where should Vick fall between the two extremes? Right where he is today? More or less punishment?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/469652https://brownsboard.com/post/469652Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:35:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:53:00 GMT]]>if vick did to humans what he did to dogs he be one of the more prolific serial killers in history.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/469612https://brownsboard.com/post/469612Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:53:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:50:02 GMT]]>Yeah I'd hate Vick more if he did the same to the same amount of human. That would mean kidnapping people's children and torturing folks to death for fun. Yeah you got me there. That would be worse. But I don't want Idi Amin or Pol Pot as quarterback either.

WSS

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/469609https://brownsboard.com/post/469609Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:50:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:40:08 GMT]]>Touchy subject for some people. I really don't want to wade through the mud here (but I guess I will)...some animal lovers have a seriously biased view. From what I've read of over the years I get the feeling some people hate Vick more because of what he did to dogs, where I truly don't think they would hate him as much if he did the same to people. Weird.

That being said I agree where a person takes pleasure seeing a dog torn apart by other dogs, or electrocuting them because they underperformed...wow that's effed up.

Covering up a murder of a human being? No thanks.

I'm with Mik on Peterson. It's an outdated method for sure and shouldn't be done, but at the same time we have become too soft. I'm guilty as charged in using time-out for my three-year old, but these days you can't spank a child without fear of people judging you and maybe even contacting child services. My parents, my mom in particular, used a wooden stick she kept on top of the fridge just for whacking me and my sister with it. In a pinch when she couldn't find that, it was the fly-swatter...you know the ones with the wire handle. I've heard stories about the hot wheels tracks but I never had to deal with that. Or a belt.

Rice...immensely dumb move. We all know how our women can drive us absolutely nuts...but you can't hit them, ever. Depending on how he repents only time will tell. If he does it right I think he could be forgiven. I think there is a difference between being a regular woman abuser and making one really really stupid mistake. Again he should've never done it, and he needs to do something like some serious charity work or what have you to redeem himself.

To answer the question though...I'd say yes to Peterson and need more time to see how Rice changes before yes to him. No to Vick and Lewis. And if I have to take all or none then I say none.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/469598https://brownsboard.com/post/469598Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:40:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to does character count? on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:03:19 GMT]]>man the black south/south raise people differently. peterson was disciplining his kid probably the same way he was disciplined. now using a switch is kinda crazy and hitting his kid in his sack....hopefully that was an accident (you know how those little fuckers squirm around).

i used to get beat with a hot wheels track across my ass and legs and if i put up my hands in defense they would get hit.

this pc bullshit with time outs and take away johnnie's cell phone is a far cry from what a lot of us went through decades ago. and you wonder why america is now a pussified nation.

i'd sign peterson in a heart beat. vick changed his ways but he has nothing left to offer an nfl team. rice and lewis can go suck a dick.

talent outweighs everything else IMO but character is a close second and can cancel the talent out if a player acts in such an egregious manner.

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@westside-steve said:

Actually I think Michael Vick is the worst of the four. Torturing animals to death kidnapping peoples pets to murder them while you and your thug buddies jerk off to it is sick.

I agree....

Anyone who garners pleasure from watching other creatures suffer has a huge...MASSIVE....character flaw.......and a very dark, deep black hole in their heart....

Vick could be lying in the road twitching like roadkill and I wouldn't even slow down....

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