@everlastingxxx said:

Eli has already won two. BR has already won two.

@mudfly said:

If you put each QB on the exact same team....I still think Eli might come out the best. Again, to me, it is the "it" factor. The Clutch factor. Eli has proven to have it. The others have not. Quite the opposite.

Zombo said:

To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.

A+

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Aaron Rogers

Drew Brees

A

Ben Roethlisberger

Phillip Rivers

Tony Romo

B+

Andrew Luck

Russell Wilson

Joe Flacco

B

Eli Manning

Matt Stafford

Cam Newton

Matt Ryan

Carson Palmer

Colin Kaepernick

Andy Dalton

C+

Alex Smith

Ryan Tannehill

Nick Foles

Jay Cutler

C

Robert Griffin

Sam Bradford

C- (placeholders but really backups)

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Brian Hoyer

D (Developmental) in order:

Derek Carr

Teddy Twatwater

Blake Bortles

Geno Smith

Zack Mettenberger/

Mike Glennon/J

EJ Manuel

@the-gipper said:

Ok you win.....Ely is GREAT!....and better than Rivers....

Actually, thats a lie....I disagree....moving on now.....bye

@mudfly said:

You are talking about what coulda/woulda happened. I am talking about what HAS happened. When Romo and Rivers have had their opportunities to put their teams on their backs and win the big games, they have failed. Eli did not fail, he succeeded spectacularly.

So....actual accomplishment must count for something......not theoretical ability.

Zombo said:

Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!

@the-gipper said:

You take Rivers with his 4-5 postseason record.

I will take Eli with his 8-3 playoff record....or Flacco with his 10-4 playoff record.....

But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?

IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....

Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?

What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)

@mudfly said:

You take Rivers with his 4-5 postseason record.

I will take Eli with his 8-3 playoff record....or Flacco with his 10-4 playoff record.....

And I will say "Scoreboard"..

(but it does pain me to do so as like I said, I like the Chargers better than the Giants or Ravens...so I am sorry to see you lose this one....but I gotta go by the facts ma'am.)

A+

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Aaron Rogers

Drew Brees

A

Ben Roethlisberger

Phillip Rivers

Tony Romo

B+

Andrew Luck

Russell Wilson

Joe Flacco

B

Eli Manning

Matt Stafford

Cam Newton

Matt Ryan

Carson Palmer

Colin Kaepernick

Andy Dalton

C+

Alex Smith

Ryan Tannehill

Nick Foles

Jay Cutler

C

Robert Griffin

Sam Bradford

C- (placeholders but really backups)

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Brian Hoyer

D (Developmental) in order:

Derek Carr

Teddy Twatwater

Blake Bortles

Geno Smith

Zack Mettenberger/

Mike Glennon/J

EJ Manuel

you put up your list and then asked our opinion.....thats mine....but not gonna argue it to death...

You can have Flacco....or Eli......Ill take Rivers. Everyone wins!

OK< but there is a lot of evidence that a main reason for a team being good is because of the QB. Just look at who is in the playoffs now.

The Browns overall in my opinion are as good as the Ravens......but whatta they got that we don't got? An outstanding QB.

Eli and Rivers are pretty close statiscally....but what I read is that Eli is more clutch.

I didn't do this with Romo....but it may be interesting to do so.

I disagree on them being close, but Ill answer on your other thread.

I don't see how you can "disagree" the stats are right there.

Really? Any football coach/player will tell you that winning is the "rating quality" they are most interested in.

So by this theory alone, Ely - Flacco - Doug Williams - Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson are better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Fran Tarkenton ....just because they had better teams?.....

Eli winning it twice was not a fluke. Flacco has one of the best all time post season records in history. He is not a fluke either.

Yes, a few mediocre QBs have won SBs and a few greats have not. But Eli and Flacco do not belong in the same category as Dilfer and Johnson. Those guys were journeymen that latched onto teams that had two of the greatest defenses of all time. Flacco and Eli are not in that category. Those teams won because of them,not in spite of them.

@the-gipper said:

@texasag1969 said:

Wilson blows that category up though.

@masterdog said:

I put all the rookies in the bottom tier so they can work their way up.

But what are you saying about Bridgewater putting up numbers no one else has? I mean, its not like I recall him being like Dan Marino in his rookie year. What numbers are these?

He's put up numbers no one had ever done before.

@mudfly said:

We have to give a guy in one system a chance to get there at some point. I don't think the answer is a star rookie first rounder unless he is Andrew Luck. That's the only way to build from the top down. Otherwise you have to do it from the trenches up.

Flacco and Manning aren't even close statistically....

So, to me, rating QB "quality" is more than rating how that QB's team has done....

@mudfly said:

It is a nebulous area. I agree that Rivers seems to have great ability...and has had some great moments. But just not enough. But Flacco....whom I would love to put down in the third tier but cannot, has a tremendous post season record. And Eli as well. I have wanted to see Rivers have postseason moments like the other two have had....as I would like to see the Chargers win because I kinda like them....but Rivers hasn't done it.

I see Gipper's way of rating them by QB wins, but like Z and Mud, I don't agree with it completely either. I'd rather have Rivers or Romo on my team before Eli.

@the-gipper said:

Just my opinion...you asked, so I gave it....

To me, Flacco and Manning both look like average QB's who benefitted from great teams....

And Rivers has always looked excellent to me....even on less than great teams....

@mudfly said:

Based on what?

Zombo said:

It is an area that I debated with myself. And I came to this conclusion: Rivers and Romo are better regular season QBs.....but Eli has been better in the biggest games of all, where the other two have shrunk.