@gftchris said:

Richardson was a 'hand-off' not a dump Weeden was a steaming hot dump though.

They were both a "WET" steaming hot dump ,to be exact LOL!

@the-gipper said:

Richardson was a 'hand-off' not a dump Weeden was a steaming hot dump though.

@hoorta said:

Look no further than Trent Richardson......I think you can call that trade a "dump". And Brandon Weeden. JFF will last here as long as he does.

@hoorta said:

i heard one talking head the other day who said something very relevant to the brown's situation (although he was talking about the jets) he said it's more detrimental to a franchise to hold on to a top round 'maybe' guy and hope he becomes 'the' guy than to move on until you draft the person (finally) that is 'the' guy.

maybe the browns are waiting to see what he shows this OTA and TC. who knows maybe he made improvement. if not expect them to pick up the phone the first time a team calls whose QB went down, if he's not traded during the draft that is.

@the-gipper said:

What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.

@nickers said:

Johnny is drinking himself out of the league.. Believe Me when I tell you.. He wont make it past OTA's and will subsequently be shown the door out of Cleveland... Wich cant happen fast enough.

Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.

BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.

People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.

EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less. .

@usfbrown said:

my thoughts too......the guy is completely marketable and can go anywhere and do just about ANYTHING he wants right now.....

of ALL his options, does anyone think coaching JFF or playing for the Browns are anywhere even remotely close to the top of his list???

Seriously?

hahahaha

@the-gipper said:

Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.

No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.

Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.

So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.

That is true. And I have to agree with you that the browns have to try their best with him.

What I'm just saying is why would manning want to take a chance with this guy?

@tour2ma said:

OK, what's the downside to that?

@hoorta said:

@usfbrown said:

Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.

No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.

Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.

So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.

@the-gipper said:

Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.

@usfbrown said:

Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.

I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.

Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?

When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.

@mudfly said:

I'm assuming you watched the same games as everyone else right? The line had it's moments but they gave up some eye openingly bad plays. I've seen some bad o line play in Cleveland in the last 16 years but I'd never before seen a defensive lineman meet our QB and RB at the handoff before...and it happened a couple times. It's something that if it happens once a season it's cause for concern...happening 2-3 times a season though makes you go uh wut now? I'd like to have your optimism that our O line will be "just fine" but we've seen our line make major regressions in just one year.

@gftchris said:

Im with you.....even with all the problems we had after Mack went down, we still finished as the #6 best lIne in the NFL....

and 4 of our starters grade out at the top....Mack was grading out as the #1 center, Thomas is thomas, Schwartz rated #32 of ALL tackles and #13 on the right and Bitonio looks like a perennial Pro-bowl type of player.....so, we need depth yes....but think we are solid with our starters....who were the #1 line until Mack went down...

So...when healthy.....our line is #1..... Why invest in upgrading the starters with so many other areas in need?

@gftchris said:

there were a couple instances early in the season before Mack went down where a DL basically followed Hoyer into the backfield for a stop and chat at the handoff. Plenty of guys came flying around that right side all season long, it wasn't good. I'm willing to give that right side one more year but we need their backups/replacements on the roster by the start of TC. We can't wing it anymore and just hope for the best.

Im sure, after his amazing career and ALL the options that will be presented to him, hitching his wagon to Manziel and the Browns wont be at the top of his list.....just a hunch

@the-gipper said:

Because maybe he would like to have a legacy as a mentor.....and because JH asks him to.

Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.

I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.

Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?

@usfbrown said:

Because maybe he would like to have a legacy as a mentor.....and because JH asks him to.

@hoorta said:

Like I said....you go into it knowing that it is a transition period.......like with Gary Danielson and BK.....except we gotta figure out who our BK is.

@tour2ma said:

@tour2ma said:

mik does not eat Cheerios-those are too optimistic.

But according to some he does eat Grape Nuts.

@tour2ma said:

Oh... and I've rethought the whole "Peyton mentor JM" thing...

JM might not survive the first week.

Why would manning want to mentor that douche? Mannings kicked him out of their program not too long ago.

@clevfan4life said:

Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.

@beare said:

Probably- but for how long? Willing to settle for one and done in the Playoffs? Elway apparently isn't.