@mudfly said:

you pay for performance, and that guy performed over and above everyone's expectations.

another costly injury this year.

@comeonman said:

Yep...but I cant see a scenario where we dont sign Gipson....he's restricted, so we get matching rights for any offers he gets(like Mack)....

Honestly, I expect the Browns to make him a priority and at least try to sign him right away....preventing him from even seeking other offers....

It appears he wants to stay and isn't all about the money.....so maybe a fair - solid offer gets him early in the process.....

@jrb12711 said:

exactly....and thats where I think the Browns will have issues...do they pay that money to him while they are paying #1 money to Gilbert?...and do they project him to play ahead of Gilbert & Desir???(which is a big one)....cause if they think Desir and/or Gilbert are starter types, I dont see them paying Skrine....

I do know Pettine likes him and highly values DB's.....it's just a matter of how much Farmer likes him and is will pay him to possibly be a backup or nickle....

@mudfly said:

Skrine is good enough to be a starting CB and will get offered money I believe at the #2 CB level. It's a matter then of deciding if it's worth it to pay him or if they think Williams/Gilbert/Desir are strong enough to fill that role.

#1) that he's not so sure he'll be back. He says things like "I'd like to come back, but....."

#2) then he says the CB and nickle are 2 totally different positions, with different skills....

#3) then he says that where ever he goes, he plans to start at CB.....(which tells me he doesn't want to play nickle)

And that last line(#3) is the telling one....because I think, just like Hoyer felt the Browns wanted Manziel at #1, Skrine feels like they want Gilbert at #1.....so, does he sign here where the coaches are pushing for their type of guys(Gilbert & Desir) to succeed or does he go to a team where he will be coveted as a starter and not just be holding the position till the rooks get better?

Here's the link to his interview.....whats your take?

http://prod.www.browns.clubs.nfl.com/media-center/videos/Buster-Skrine-I-Really-Love-This-Defense/7b54bb2b-c5a6-4384-a384-ebe7dcfd9a32

@mudfly said:

@tour2ma said:

if we went to a 4-3, which is what I hope we do, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Thing is both Hardy and Orakpo are more versatile, could play in either scheme...and they will be available.

@clevfan4life said:

what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.

Situational pass rusher...

@tour2ma said:

what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.

Names I like:

O: Helu (RB); Austin (WR); Daniels (TE); Bulaga (OT); Iupati/ Colon (OG)

Foote (ILB)

One other D-line I find intriguing is Umenyiora. Big fall off in 2014 but not sure how much was the mess that was ATL.

Kuhn

Cameron (depending on $, plus drafting a better "blocking" TE and moving Cameron to more of a WR)

Backup C (draft RT in round 1 or 2)

Houston (not depending on $)

Kitchen

Robertson

Gipson

Skrine

Any kicker

Unrestricted:

Hoyer......Go. ...Dont think he's the one to take us to the promised land. So, lets keep searching....

Cameron...Go....Injury prone and likely too expensive. If the price is right, then fine.....but ....

Rubin ......Go.....too expensive again......

Skrine.....Go....hate to say it.....he clearly doesnt want to be a nickle back and thats what the Browns want him to be....he'll pull too much money to be kept as a reserve and the Browns are deep at CB...so I expect little effort to sign him...

Restricted:

Gipson..Stay.....the only one in this group that I think we'll keep/////

Kitchen...Go.....the D line was terrible and needs an upgrade....and Kitchen is at the bottom of the list, so it seems logical that he'd go...no?

Patterson for the Vikings was a first-rounder.. and is a complete bust. The reason you draft OL/DL and buy WR is that the WR are proven.

@the-gipper said:

Unrestricted:

Hoyer

Cameron

Rubin

Skrine

Restricted:

Gipson

Kitchen

I hate having to acquire FAs just to replace the guys we lost....unless it is an upgrade (see Dansby vs. DQwell).

@the-gipper said:

I'd be on board with this idea.

@vagitron said:

Yes, I am sure there are many players that are going to re-up with their current teams. The Browns have a few themselves that they should resign. But that doesn't mean we should not discuss the possibility of signing up some of these FAs. After all, the are "Free" Agents....meaning they can sign anywhere....even if they are inclined to go back.

@clevfan4life said:

Sanchez is not better than Hoyer. Locker is an amazing runner but not a great pocket QB, plus he can't stop getting hurt. You know who is better than Hoyer on that list?......Matt Moore.

@lbc-mike said:

Lots. Like $30m or something.