the nazis. And what guns they had, they used

to great affect.

That's just the beginning. Engineering/Michigan <> History

Other countries funding/supplying rebel regimes takes us into a whole other talking point that I am not trying to argue one way or the other. That gets outside of what the 2nd Amendment gives us now.

As to your "what would you do against drones, fighter jets?" question, soak up losses like the Afghans and play the long game. If their goal is to murder every U.S. citizen, why even have a government? At that point, you have no one to govern.

It also doesn't seem like that would be the best strategy for defending your house in the suburbs. Even if a local town got together in like a rec center or something, our military could just blow it up. They physically do not need to be in the area to kill you. Also, they're based in the same area you're attacking. This isn't troops coming from overseas or anything. Our military would be ready to deal with any non compliance before some sort of sustainable counter force was organized.

So yes, guerrilla warfare is a thing. I just don't see how average citizens with severely underpowered weaponry could defend themselves from the most massive army in the world that is also based where they are. If I am missing something, please enlighten me. I really would like to know what your full argument is. Not even in a douchey way, I am curious.

@mld-woody said:

The Revolution? How is the technology then anywhere similar to now? Civilian militias could be armed almost equal to the national army. Do you have a tank or fighter jet at your house now?

Current.

Fuck.

Afghan.

War.

Read about guerrilla warfare. Please. (This is the 3rd time someone has suggested it)

It's okay for people to be killed by cars and knives.

but by golly, "killed by guns is not acceptable".

You don't declare war on millions and millions of people who own cars, knives and guns

just because some stupidass from michigan accidently kills someone with it.

@logicisforsquares said:

Yeah some basic reading about guerilla resistance will probably enlighten you, Woody.

In nearly all awful circumstances, I would rather someone be armed to respond. Yes, fuckery may occur where the person goofs up. However, you know 100% that the people shooting back have only bad intentions. Having at least some percentage of chance for survival is better than none.

In the incident described in this thread, yes, if someone in the crowd had a gun, the victim's chance at survival would increase. My concern is that, overall, these isolated incidents don't outweigh the people who are injured or killed by these guns. Within that incident as well, others in the crowd may have a lowered chance of survival if a handful were given guns

@legacy-fan said:

Take a moment to read about Vietnam, the current Afghan/Iraq war, and finally the American Revolution. I'll let you see if you can find anything in common.

The Revolution? How is the technology then anywhere similar to now? Civilian militias could be armed almost equal to the national army. Do you have a tank or fighter jet at your house now?

In nearly all awful circumstances, I would rather someone be armed to respond. Yes, fuckery may occur where the person goofs up. However, you know 100% that the people shooting back have only bad intentions. Having at least some percentage of chance for survival is better than none.

@mld-woody said:

Oh, and if the govt really did break in to a crazy, dictator run, military state... a bunch of dudes in their houses with some rifles aren't going to stop an army. You'd just be a minor annoyance. This isn't the 18th century. A "militia" is no where near equal in strength to our military.

I don't agree with the idea that giving everyone guns will make everyone safer. Just like we can't expect criminals to follow laws, we can't expect every gun owner to be 100% responsible. I think the idea he portrays, that we are all in danger from terrorists and need guns for safety, is alarmist. The incident he was describing is terrible. Yes, maybe someone nearby with a gun could have helped. Maybe he misses and gets himself killed as well. Maybe multiple people rush in to be heroes and chaos ensues. Either way, one data point of speculation doesn't prove much.

That being said, I'm not trying to take your guns. Calm down.

Oh, and if the govt really did break in to a crazy, dictator run, military state... a bunch of dudes in their houses with some rifles aren't going to stop an army. You'd just be a minor annoyance. This isn't the 18th century. A "militia" is no where near equal in strength to our military.

oh, and I agree with Heck

on the "no head" list...

and turn em in.

"LONG LIVE THE FINK KING !" (in our WH)

I mean umm id hand them over.

the civil war is won.

hey, learned how to make my own bows and arrows, got "New Pioneer" magazine,

got cattails out in the wetlands, got smokeless oil lamps, plenty of reading to do,

Got woods for hunting and firewood, woodburning fireplace, got well water, giant garden,

though I need a solar battery outfit to run the fireplace insert fan....

got private ponds to fish in....... 150 lbs of heirloom field corn seed

need some chickens for the meat and eggs, though.... and bees for free organic

raw honey....

Some krav maga classes would be good.... big, serious trouble may be a-comin...

nah. Of course we'd submit and hail el stupido obamao, turn em for an obamao receipt

of promise to return em if we join obamaocare and pay our tithe to his Muslim religion.....

What Logic said.....