You changed the subject and then said I couldn't follow along. Original.

This is going no where. Same exact thing has happened in the past with you.

I really don't care what coaches went to Michigan. Good luck on a list.

What coaches were educated there? Why does that matter when determining how good of a school it is?

I mean I expected you to change to subject or back off... But this? What?

I'm not going to build up a giant quote of multi colored responses. You're the only one that responds like that. They all line up and are on topic.

I am by no means the only one that does that.....in fact, nearly everyone but you does it that way. Sorry you don't have the intellect to carry it off.

On the Miami, OH thing... all I can do by responding is make myself look bad. It would be like telling a child Santa isn't real. You come off as the bad guy. Miami, OH is a very good school, but it isn't Michigan. I could go into this further, but like I said, not much will be accomplished. I can't force you to change your mind, even if you're wrong.

There is no right or wrong....only a matter of opinion.

I mean....look at it this way.....both schools have produced a mediocre President (Mich: Ford, Miami: Ben Harrison)

But Miami produced better football coaches: Woody, Bo, Weeb Ewbank, Ara Parseghian , Bill Arnsbarger and John Harbaugh.

So far, the only decent coach that I am aware of that was educated at Michigan is Jim Harbaugh. Please let us know if there was anyone else. (by that I mean....went to school at Mich....not coached there)

After reading the following pages since this post it seems you are very familiar with recruiting so please, tell us, what school(s) and for what sport(s) were you recruited? And before you all snarky and ask. I received my first letter of interest from Ohio State my sophomore yr of HS in May of 73.. I was 15, and ready to commit to Marty's program..

Cysko, quit bashing this kid for de committing.. Having witnessed the process both first and second hand, I actually applaud the young man for having the stones to change his commitment knowing full well the grief he'd get from homers like you that don't know anything about his particular situation.. Kids change their commitments all the time.. It's not like he went down the isle with Urban, laid hands upon Bible and swore "till death do us part"... Then again, Urban has made a career out of changing his commitments so.....

Yeah I really doubt that first line. If you are taking it easy, then please start trying. We don't need more "Miami OH is as good of a school as Michigan" moments.

Miami OH, probably is as good a school as Michigan......I would rather have had my son or daughter go there than to Michigan....because I think they would have gotten an equal education in a better environment.

Look, yes I do take it easy on you. I mean.....the board admins take it easy on you.....Your screen name could be changed to Michicunt or something.

I'm sure they weren't happy losing the on the field success, but the state he left the program in wasn't the greatest.

OK, here is the deal.....are you not smart enough to do intercision responses, I am not going to try to guess what it is you are replying to.

It is really quite easy.....even a guy with a Michigan education should be able to do it.

I said concerns about sanctions. Read up on the state of the program near the end of his time there. It was a mess.

Really? Really? You think going back to Elway makes any difference?

In the decade before Harbaugh got to Stanford, they had 2 winning seasons. In the 5 years before he got there they had 0. A 14-31 record in those 5 years, 1-11 the year before he took over. None of that says Stanford was doing "fine". By his 4th season Harbaugh got Stanford to 12-1, the most wins they had in school history. He took a program that was trash, built them into contenders, and laid a framework for continued success.

Go look at the actual recent history of Stanford football. Look at the actual numbers. Don't do the typical old man Gipper "anecdotal evidence is all I need" reasoning. I realize your just taking blind swings to try to attach Harbaugh but come man, at least try to make sense.

Let's look at the 49ers. In the 8 years before Harbaugh gets there they have one 8-8 season. Nothing better. A 46-82 record. He takes them to 3 straight conference championship games and a super bowl. In his 4th year the front office starts getting antsy. The front office makes what is almost considered a universally bad move and gets rid of Harbuagh, they hire the DL coach as HC, and the team goes to hell.

An NFL team isn't a college team. You aren't really "building a program" as a result of all of the constant moving parts (unless you're the Patriots). Quotes from 49ers players show he was well liked. The front office there made a terrible decision and it blew up in their faces.

That's not a theory by NFL supporters, that was information thrown around during the search for his next job. It has nothing to do with being a Harbuagh supporter. It is well known a handful of teams really wanted him (Raiders), and it was assumed a few more did as well. It is a very reasonable statement to say that if he wanted to be in the NFL, he would be.

"It's a decision I basically made without a list, without a pros and cons approach, something that I've dreamed about -- felt it was time to live" - Jim Harbaugh on taking the Michigan job.

When asked if it was his 'dream job', "That's a catch-phrase. It doesn't resonate with me. People use it a lot. It's cliche."

I am going to guess that since Harbaugh was hire and has been at Michigan I've read more articles about him and the school than you have. I can guarantee you Harbaugh is fully immersed in Michigan. This is where he grew up. This is where he played. This is his home. If you want to compare him to Meyer saying OSU is his "dream job" and act like that makes Meyer better some how go ahead. Don't forget Meyer has also called Notre Dame is dream job...

You can say Harbaugh got fired to imply he did something wrong if you'd like, that doesn't make it true. The front office and him didn't get along, and they decided to go another direction... a bad direction. I have no doubt that Harbaugh is a hardass, but I'd take that "negative" over Meyer's... easily.

So you think it would have been fine for Meyer to go immediately back to coaching? He creates a team full of guys that got in trouble with the law and loses the locker room. He then has health issues or wants to spend time with his family, whichever sounds better. Then just months later he's back coaching at another school? Come on. Don't you see how bad that would have made him look?

On the surface, leaving a job to spend time with your family is not a bad thing. I never said it was. But it is kind of hard to see his motivations as completely pure.

There you go with the fired thing again. Leaving a team because you clash with the front office vs leaving a team because of the environment you created, I mean health problems. If that makes you feel like you're taking points from Harbaugh, go for it.

I wouldn't count on him to replace Pettine. I would bet a large sum of money he isn't going anywhere soon. Again, based on what I read that I am going to guess you don't. At the very least, he isn't going to leave before the job is done. He is way too competitive for that.

You "still think he can be a good coach"? What? He's been an excellent coach for a long time, where have you been?

Apparently you aren't familiar with recruiting

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Right, you were just asking a question. It wasn't a shot at Harbaugh at all........... give me a break

I give you breaks more than you know. I really take it easier on you than I should.

Ask any UF fan about Meyer, they aren't very happy with him.

Sure....because he was a great coach that retired.

He saw the writing on the wall and got out when he could. There were concerns about upcoming sanctions and he was losing the locker room. Hell, there was an actual murderer on the team.

None of that would have mattered. (and what "sanctions" did Fla. suffer? I heard of no sanctions). Meyer would have probably simply gone on to win more national titles there had he stayed.

Harbaugh built Stanford from where it was (at the time, nothing) into a team that his been competitive ever since.

Stanford has had a good history in football. You would have no clue apparently as you were not around. Ever hear of Jim Plunkett and John Elway....that team did fine before Harbaugh got there....and is doing fine without him. Did they have a few down years? Sure. Stanford's academic requirements are too stringent for it to have constant success.

The program is no worse off now without him, last time I looked.

He wanted to coach in the NFL and had an offer. Look at where the 49ers are now?

They are in a mess of Harbaugh's creation? That seems to be the case.

A lot of 49ers fans and media would tell you the 49ers office made the wrong decision. They were saying that after he was let go. He had plenty of NFL offers if he wanted to stay,

That is a theory....by Harbaugh supporters (but, honestly, yes, I would have taken him for the Browns over the mess we have now)

but he decided to come back home, to Michigan.

Also, please explain how we know OSU is Meyer's dream job, but we don't know Michigan is Harbaugh's dream job.

I don't know if it is or it isn't. Have you ever heard him say that? We have heard that said about Meyer.

And you talk about Harbaugh turning down Pro jobs. Maybe his dream job is still in the Pros.

Hell.....it would not surprise me to see him go to the Lions. They could probably use his help more than Michigan could.

Coach A, to add: Left a team that was losing its star QB. A large portion of the roster had some kind of criminal involvement. The locker room was in bad shape. Also left for health reasons but those health reasons apparently got better very quickly.

Coach B, to add: After essentially being let go everyone related to the 49ers thought it was a bad idea, except for the front office. It then very quickly turned out to be a bad idea. This coach had multiple opportunities to stay in the NFL but decided to go to Michigan.

Harbaugh had no reason to stay out of coaching for a year. You're say that like its a bad thing. Meyer had no choice but to sit out. He couldn't like THAT big of a dick.

I didn't say it was a bad thing....I don't think it was. I just point out that he has jumped more ships now than Harbaugh....and I would not be surprised if he did it again soon. Though I doubt the Michigan will fire him the way the 49ers did.

And What do you mean Meyer had no choice? I suspect he could have gone right back in to coach. Unlike Harbaugh, he didn't get the itch to go to the pros....and he didn't get fired. He could have stayed right where he was. He chose to retire from that job and spend time away from coaching. Why is THAT a bad thing?

Anyway, no matter how much of an asshole you wanted to act like at the beginning of your post, you were clearly trying to insinuate that Harbaugh flip flopped. Same shit we heard about a year ago. There is really no way you can make those claims while not also insulting Meyer. That's it.

You are right.....Harbaugh did not Flip flop.....he got fired. Meyer never got fired.

And I think if Harbaugh is a flipflopper, his biggest flipflop will be yet to come....when he gets the itch to go back to the pros again. Maybe the Browns will show interest in him again if they fire Pettine and he can come here and be coach.

Whatever Harbaugh is...or isn't.....I still think he can be a good coach.

Urban Meyer is a snake oil salesman but he is the correct coach at Ohio State so he's pretty much Jesus incarnate in here. Couldn't hack it at Florida so he left for an easier path.

Urban Meyer is a snake oil salesman but he is the correct coach at Ohio State so he's pretty much Jesus incarnate in here. Couldn't hack it at Florida so he left for an easier path.