Warren Moon was a play-off choker and a wife-beater. He's in. Kurt Warner in his prime was as good as anyone and has a ring. Great guy too. He's not in.

But the players do. Those 2 things....plus obviously championships define a player's career.

Unlike, say, the Oscars, which both George C. Scott and Marlon Brando turned down, you have never seen a player say "No thanks, don't bother putting me in the Hall of Fame"

Maybe actors and some musicians think its cool to turn down HOF designation (Sex Pistols).....athletes do not.

Yeah I really don't put much stock in All Star appearances or Hall of Fame inductions as the defining moment of players' careers

Harrison passed over twice now. Warner once.

Starvin Marvin and Warner should be no-brainers

He wasn't just some sneaky good WR, he was flat out amazing. The best route-runner you'll ever see (after Jerry Rice). And his numbers surpassed both of those HOFers. And don't get me started on Terrell Owens not getting in, regardless of his irate and diva-like nature. The man is arguably the 3rd best wide receiver ever.

Just a guess but, as I recall, wasn't he involved in some 'off field activity' that took a lot of luster off him, in general?

Maybe some voters are taking that into account, not unlike with some baseball writers and PEDs.

Dunno.

I cant believe Kevin Green made the list over Clay Mathews Sr.... that's a crime..

Moss is far and away the 2nd best receiver. And to think, if he had half the work ethic of Jerry Rice, he would have obliterated every WR record.

Pity.

He wasn't just some sneaky good WR, he was flat out amazing. The best route-runner you'll ever see (after Jerry Rice). And his numbers surpassed both of those HOFers. And don't get me started on Terrell Owens not getting in, regardless of his irate and diva-like nature. The man is arguably the 3rd best wide receiver ever.

Who are #1 and 2? Rice OK....but #2?

Also....I think Paul Warfield may have been a better route runner.

Just a guess but, as I recall, wasn't he involved in some 'off field activity' that took a lot of luster off him, in general?

Maybe some voters are taking that into account, not unlike with some baseball writers and PEDs.

Dunno.

No, I think his whole spat with Donovan McNabb ....plus the fact that he was seen as a cancer on the team.....is the only negative issue with him. But many people may take his side on the McNabb thing. TO is more likely to get in the HOF than McNabb.

But I am not aware of any "off field" issues. No drugs, wife beating, child abuse, screwing prostitutes. etc. etc.....is there? Unless I just forgot?

While I believe, and ultimately agree with you, making Harrison wait his turn for an inferior career in Tim Brown is an even bigger travesty. This has become more political than merit.

And Harrison was better than Reed and Cris Carter, as far as production goes.

Harrison: 14,580 YDS, 1102 REC, 13. 2 AVG, 128 TDs in 13 seasons.

Carter: 13, 899 YDS, 1101 REC, 12.6 AVG, 130 TDs in 16 seasons.

Reed: 13, 198 YDS, 951 REC, 13.9 AVG, 87 TDs in 16 seasons.

OK, fair arguments.....but note, Carter and Reed each had to wait 8-9 years before being selected. Tim Brown too. Harrison will probably not have to wait as long.

He wasn't just some sneaky good WR, he was flat out amazing. The best route-runner you'll ever see (after Jerry Rice). And his numbers surpassed both of those HOFers. And don't get me started on Terrell Owens not getting in, regardless of his irate and diva-like nature. The man is arguably the 3rd best wide receiver ever.

Owens should and likely will get in....but he is not eligible until next year fyi. He may have to suffer a waiting period just like Reed/Carter/Harrison/Brown. That receiver position often has a log jam going for it.

I think it is a matter of timing. While I agree with you that Harrison had a more productive career, the voters knew that Brown had waited quite a while and that "his time was due". Look how long Cris Carter and Andre Reed had to wait, both of which were perhaps ahead of Harrison. Harrison's "time will come".

I thought Pace and Warner would make it, but again as first time eligibles "their time did not come". Seau was getting in first ballot regardless.

Very surprised Marvin Harrison didn't get in. He's a superior receiver to Tim Brown (who got in).

Stupid.

Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

Zombo

Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

Zombo

But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

All that innovation being true, the thing that holds him back from being selected I think is that none of his team's ever even made it to the SB.

I remember that at Don Coryell's funeral, John Madden basically said "I'm sitting in the front row

with Joe Gibbs and Dan Fouts and we're all in the Hall of Fame because of Don Coryell.

From SB*Nation:

"Coryell is credited with a laundry list of innovations. He was the architect behind the one-back formation, developed the "joker" tight end, pioneered the use of option routes, devised the flood route combination, conceived the numbered route tree/play-call lexicon, and was integral in the advancement of the use of pre-snap motion and running back screens"

"As a corollary, Coryell's innovations changed the way teams played defense (more nickel and dime), how they scouted players and what they prioritized in their players (speed, speed, speed and coverage ability)"