Only 6 players from that draft made the Pro Bowl....compared to 14 the year before. Plus there are about double the bona fide busts:

TR

Blackmon

Morris Claiborne

Dre Kirkpatrick

Weeden

Nick Perry

AJ Jenkins

David Wilson

Shae McLellin.

And we may eventually have to throw RGIII in there if he doesn't get it together.

@mudfly said:

Well, that is why I went back 3-4 years....to assess what happened then.

I don't know if 30% success rate in the first round is quite accurate. I think it might be a bit better than that. (unless you mean 30% of Browns draft picks....then it is probably worse!

Here are hits, misses from 2011 first round:

2011 1 1 Cam Newton QB CAR 2011 2014 0 2 4 59 62 62 30-31-1 1144 1923 14426 82 54 467 2571 33 1 33 0 Auburn

2 2011 1 2 Von Miller LB DEN 2011 2014 1 3 4 43 56 56 1 49.0 Texas A&M 3 2011 1

3 Marcell Dareus DT BUF 2011 2014 1 2 4 38 63 60 28.5 Alabama 4 2011 1

4 A.J. Green WR CIN 2011 2014 0 4 4 43 60 60 11 93 0 329 4874 35 Georgia 5 2011 1

5 Patrick Peterson DB ARI 2011 2014 2 4 4 53 64 64 1 1 17 0 0 7 34 0 10 64 0 15 2.0 LSU 6 2011 1

6 Julio Jones WR ATL 2011 2014 0 2 3 40 49 48 14 94 0 278 4330 26 Alabama 7 2011 1

7 Aldon Smith DE SFO 2011 2014 1 1 1 25 50 30 1 44.0 Missouri 8 2011 1

8 Jake Locker QB TEN 2011 2014 0 0 1 15 30 23 9-14-0 408 709 4967 27 22 95 644 5 Washington 9 2011 1

9 Tyron Smith OL DAL 2011 2014 1 2 4 43 63 63 USC 10 2011 1

10 Blaine Gabbert QB JAX 2011 2014 0 0 2 8 29 27 5-22-0 417 784 4395 23 24 76 191 0 Missouri

11 J.J. Watt DE HOU 2011 2014 3 3 4 64 64 64 3 4 3 1 57.0 Wisconsin 12 2011 1

12 Christian Ponder QB MIN 2011 2014 0 0 3 22 38 36 14-21-1 632 1057 6658 38 36 126 639 7 1 -15 0 Florida St. 13 2011 1

13 Nick Fairley DT DET 2011 2014 0 0 1 16 46 30 13.5 Auburn 14 2011 1

14 Robert Quinn DE STL 2011 2014 1 2 3 35 63 47 45.0 North Carolina 15 2011 1

15 Mike Pouncey OL MIA 2011 2014 0 2 4 30 58 58 Florida 16 2011 1

16 Ryan Kerrigan DE WAS 2011 2014 0 1 3 29 64 64 2 38.0 Purdue 17 2011 1

17 Nate Solder OL NWE 2011 2014 0 0 3 28 63 60 Colorado 18 2011 1

18 Corey Liuget DT SDG 2011 2014 0 0 4 27 63 61 18.0 Illinois 19 2011 1

19 Prince Amukamara DB NYG 2011 2014 0 0 2 13 44 35 6 Nebraska

20 Adrian Clayborn DL TAM 2011 2014 0 0 2 13 36 36 13.0 Iowa 21 2011 1

21 Phil Taylor DL CLE 2011 2014 0 0 2 19 44 42 7.0 Baylor 22 2011 1

22 Anthony Castonzo OL IND 2011 2014 0 0 4 29 60 60 1 1 1 Boston Col. 23 2011 1

23 Danny Watkins OL PHI 2011 2013 0 0 1 9 26 18 Baylor 24 2011 1

24 Cameron Jordan DE NOR 2011 2014 0 1 3 32 64 63 1 29.0 California 25 2011 1

25 James Carpenter OL SEA 2011 2014 0 0 2 20 45 39 Alabama 26 2011 1

26 Jonathan Baldwin WR KAN 2011 2013 0 0 0 4 33 11 44 607 2 Pittsburgh 27 2011 1

27 Jimmy Smith DB BAL 2011 2014 0 0 1 12 48 29 5 Colorado 28 2011 1

28 Mark Ingram RB NOR 2011 2014 0 1 1 18 50 21 582 2426 20 53 288 0 Alabama 29 2011 1

29 Gabe Carimi OL CHI 2011 2014 0 0 0 14 48 26 Wisconsin 30 2011 1

30 Muhammad Wilkerson DT NYJ 2011 2014 0 0 4 7 61 60 1 24.5 Temple Misc Games

31 Cameron Heyward

32. Derrock Sherrod

I only see what you can classify as sure fire busts about 5 players on this list: Gabbert, Ponder, Baldwin,Watkins, Sherrod.

Fourteen of the thirty two made at least one Pro Bowl. That is like 44%.

Plus, all but perhaps those 5 I mention have been reasonably solid starters. Including Phil Taylor.

@frenchie said:

What if you just got a new job and everyone kept bitching about and blaming you for shit that happened before you were even hired?.....always blaming YOU for the last guys screw ups?....over and over again....

Our talent evaluation and scouting team was just hired last year and has one draft under their belt. They dont "keep" doing anything, because they've only done it once....why can't people get this????....is it that hard?

And it usually takes 3 years(at least) to evaluate their picks.....(most of which look pretty good right now)......but the league, on average, only hits on about 30% of the 1st round and even lower in the later rounds.....Farmers hit on more, so far and the first still haven't shown out yet......if Gilbert is good, then we are WAY ahead of the curve for only 1 years worth of picks

So, come back in three years or go where ever the people are that you're complaining about, because they dont work here anymore

@tiamat63 said:

The Julio Jones trade doesn't bother me - that kid has yet to play a full season healthy. However the picks resulting from the deal with Atlanta have bothered me.

But that's (JJ's injuries) making a pick with hindsight. JJ is one of the premiere WR's (talent) in the league and should not have been passed over. What does our first round busts and misses say about our talent evaluation and scouting teams?

@frenchie said:

Our drafts have not been complete busts, but the first round and our attempts to find a QB have been brutal. How could we pass on Julio Jones? How could we pick so many QB's that failed to make the grade?

The Julio Jones trade doesn't bother me - that kid has yet to play a full season healthy. However the picks resulting from the deal with Atlanta have bothered me.

Russell Wilson 49

Andrew Luck 42

Luke Kuechley 40

RGIII 32 (started very strong)

Ryan Tannehill 32

Bobby Wagner 32

Dontari Poe 29

TY Hilton 29

Lavonte David 25

Alshon Jeffrey 25

Certainly Seattle being on top of the heap both years is reflected in their performance.

But then the Browns were in the Top Ten both years....and that was not reflected on field....unless going from 4-12 to 7-9 is a trend....but then certain "main cogs" have faltered.....esp. Weeden/TR

I think the main key is that yes.....you can have several fairly productive players.....but if one of them is not a QB... you may still be SOL. See the post below. If you have a Newton, Wilson, Luck....that is all essential

(all with Division winning/playoff teams)

Seattle 144 ....Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Sweezy

Indianapolis 108.... Andrew Luck, TY Hilton, Fleener

Minnesota 91 .... Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith

Philadelphia 88.... Fletcher Cox, Nick Foles

Cleveland 87...The Schwartz, Winn/Hughes plus Weeden/TR/James M. Johnson

St. Louis 87

Miami 86

Washington 79

Cincinnati 79

Carolina 75

Tampa Bay 69

Houston 63

Buffalo 60

NY Jets 60

Baltimore 58

New England 56

Pittsburgh 54

Denver 53

Tennessee 48

San Diego 47

Kansas City 43

Jacksonville 42

Arizona 40 (would have been 44 but they gave Ryan Lindley a -4 points)

Detroit 37

Chicago 37

Atlanta 34

NY Giants 32

Green Bay 30

New Orleans 28

Dallas 26

Oakland 20

San Francisco 12 (rough times could be ahead for the Bay area)

JJ Watt 64 CA

Cam Newton 59

Richard Sherman 55 (5th round)

Patrick Peterson 53

Von Miller 43

AJ Green 43

Tyrone Smith 43

DeMarco Murray 43 (3rd round)

Julio Jones 40

Marcel Dareus 38

Justin Houston 38 (3rd round)

Jaball Sheard has been most productive Brown with a 25 score.