<![CDATA[Get Real]]>I think I am a realist. I understand the problems the Browns have right now. I just don't understand why any Browns fan would think about bailing on them.Take the defense of the Browns. Why aren't we just a few players away from being a very good defensive team? We have a great secondary but we need to stop the run. Can't we fix that? We possibly have the best HC since 99. We did better than expected in his first year. Why aren't we giving Pettine a few years to really get his team on the field?

People on this board know football. What can the Browns do to right the ship? If your going to give a flip answer don't bother. I think this team has talent. I don't want to look back and say what if we had taken another QB over Manziel? That ship has already sailed. What can be done now?

I'll post what I would do and I hope others will post theirs : Re-sign Hoyer and add more pieces to the puzzle such as a wide receiver and another O lineman. I saw what Hoyer could do with a running game. He did well. I have no confidence in JM. I have much more confidence in Shaw than JM.

I would get some big guys on the defensive line to plug up the holes to stop the running game.

If we could get a kicker in the later rounds I think this year showed we need one.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/32039/get-realRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 10:12:13 GMTWed, 18 Feb 2015 05:56:32 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 01:37:02 GMT]]>The Manziel pick makes it more difficult going forward. Not impossible. It is not like the team does not have talent, it does.

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@roycerolls said:

I usually cringe at the race card, I'm surprised at myself for pulling it. I guess it's reserved for sheer lunacy that can't be explained in any other way. I'm not saying that Bridgewater is the next Aaron Rodgers, all I'm saying is that showed good growth as a rookie and has promise moving into the future, something Manziel hasn't even come close to doing. Furthermore, Bridgewater isn't a running QB, he had fewer rushing attempts than Andrew Luck. He's a guy who looks to pass first but has the ability to escape the pocket if needed.

Johnny Manziel was supposed to be the black quarterback that we all thought Russel Wilson could be.

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@cdl15 said:

Well the realization that not only did JF not know what was going on the defensive side of the ball he didn't even know what was going on in his own back field. Hoyer looked like Montana compared to JF and that is hardly a stretch.

We were not comparing a veteran to a rookie. Just a rookie to a rookie who played 14 games.

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@texasag1969 said:

And Bridgewater's first game he was 12-20 150 yds, no TD's in a 20-9 loss (all points by FG of Minn.).

Bridgewater got most of a season to prove himself. JM got a depleted O line that Hoyer could not move the O with either.

Well the realization that not only did JF not know what was going on the defensive side of the ball he didn't even know what was going on in his own back field. Hoyer looked like Montana compared to JF and that is hardly a stretch.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

I think it is extremely far fetched to expect this team to compete for the division as long as the big bads have quarterbacks and we do not. I also don't trust winston to be good or Mariota to have enough nfl talent. I think we have to build the defense, and expect to suck balls next season.

Fail for cardale.

Did you think the Browns would compete with the big bads last season? They did compete with them. We had one of them on the ropes going into the fourth quarter with our little old third string QB. So why it is far fetched to think they won't compete this season?

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@oldbrownsfan said:

It all hinges on the decisions they will be making soon. I just don't see it as being far fetched this team being able to compete for the division next season.

I think it is extremely far fetched to expect this team to compete for the division as long as the big bads have quarterbacks and we do not. I also don't trust winston to be good or Mariota to have enough nfl talent. I think we have to build the defense, and expect to suck balls next season.

Fail for cardale.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479851https://brownsboard.com/post/479851Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:19:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:40:36 GMT]]>we as fans will always dissect past drafts and the shouldas, couldas wouldas........

hell last year's draft was a dream sequence for me with gilbert and then they picked manziel and i thought..........'same old browns'....but farmer pushed up his sleeves and drafted a defensive secondary class that should be there for many many years to come. get us a NT a beast ILB and depth on the OL and we'll talk a ted stickwater next year. 'cept he'll be about 50 lbs. heavier, stronger arm, a bulldog run-over-a-LB stuff it up the gut QB in cardale jones.

somebody 'HIT ME'

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@roycerolls said:

But to answer the OP's question: I believe the Browns are in a good position. We can speculate and what-if forever, but the fact of the matter is that last year this FO used FA and the draft to make this team better.

Complain about the first round if you will, but compare rosters of '13 and '14 Browns and tell me which you'd prefer.

I don't see why Farmer couldn't use this offseason to take another step forward. I wouldn't mind seeing 12 and 19 both being spent on the D line and LB corps. Add Cecil Shorts in FA and another WR in the midrounds as well as some O line depth.

I also expect the continuity of the coaching staff to be very helpful. Overall, the Browns very well could compete for the division.

It all hinges on the decisions they will be making soon. I just don't see it as being far fetched this team being able to compete for the division next season.

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@roycerolls said:

Comparing Bridgewaters first game to manziel's is like comparing a ham sandwich to a scab on a cracker.

To be fair a ham sandwich is ok but it will never be a porterhouse

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479814https://brownsboard.com/post/479814Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:39:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:08:07 GMT]]>Like a BRIDGE over troubled WATERS, He would of let us Down 😁. One season of tape better hand the ball to Peterson..

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@oldbrownsfan said:

I could post a large number of stats on Bridgewater but I'm not going there. It's done. It's just beating a dead horse. The bigger picture for me is all the good things I see the Browns doing right now. That is my focus.

Yes and no one cares about the Twat.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479770https://brownsboard.com/post/479770Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:31:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:09:58 GMT]]>I usually cringe at the race card, I'm surprised at myself for pulling it. I guess it's reserved for sheer lunacy that can't be explained in any other way. I'm not saying that Bridgewater is the next Aaron Rodgers, all I'm saying is that showed good growth as a rookie and has promise moving into the future, something Manziel hasn't even come close to doing. Furthermore, Bridgewater isn't a running QB, he had fewer rushing attempts than Andrew Luck. He's a guy who looks to pass first but has the ability to escape the pocket if needed.

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@roycerolls said:

Anyone who would suggest that manziel was a better pick than bridgewater has to be a racist. Minnesota has a young QB who put up good numbers and developed nicely on his way to rookie of the year honors. Manziel looked like a clueless glue-head until he got injured in his second game.

I'm not saying don't give the kid another chance, but Vikings fans certainly aren't the ones having discussions about trading up for Mariota or Winston.

And there's the old race card. Let me voice my opinion. Bridgewater will never ever be a superstar elite qb so who cares. He had a better first season than manziel had a first game. Good for him. I don't care what he did what he does. We don't have him and never will and frankly I don't see his ceiling ever being all that high. Regardless of skin color we need a big strong qb not some skinny running shrimp like bridgewater or manziel]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479766https://brownsboard.com/post/479766Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:27:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:24:36 GMT]]>Comparing Bridgewaters first game to manziel's is like comparing a ham sandwich to a scab on a cracker.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479765https://brownsboard.com/post/479765Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:24:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:20:20 GMT]]>But to answer the OP's question: I believe the Browns are in a good position. We can speculate and what-if forever, but the fact of the matter is that last year this FO used FA and the draft to make this team better.

Complain about the first round if you will, but compare rosters of '13 and '14 Browns and tell me which you'd prefer.

I don't see why Farmer couldn't use this offseason to take another step forward. I wouldn't mind seeing 12 and 19 both being spent on the D line and LB corps. Add Cecil Shorts in FA and another WR in the midrounds as well as some O line depth.

I also expect the continuity of the coaching staff to be very helpful. Overall, the Browns very well could compete for the division.

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@texasag1969 said:

And Bridgewater's first game he was 12-20 150 yds, no TD's in a 20-9 loss (all points by FG of Minn.).

Bridgewater got most of a season to prove himself. JM got a depleted O line that Hoyer could not move the O with either.

12 of 20 would've been a dream first game for JM. The bigger problem with Manziel in his first start wasn't the numbers or even the horrible int's. It was that he looked completely overmatched. I would've liked to see at least one play in that Cincy game that showed a glimpse of NFL talent.

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@roycerolls said:

Anyone who would suggest that manziel was a better pick than bridgewater has to be a racist. Minnesota has a young QB who put up good numbers and developed nicely on his way to rookie of the year honors. Manziel looked like a clueless glue-head until he got injured in his second game.

I'm not saying don't give the kid another chance, but Vikings fans certainly aren't the ones having discussions about trading up for Mariota or Winston.

And Bridgewater's first game he was 12-20 150 yds, no TD's in a 20-9 loss (all points by FG of Minn.).

Bridgewater got most of a season to prove himself. JM got a depleted O line that Hoyer could not move the O with either.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

Bailing on them and simply not caring what shenanigans they get up to anymore isn't the same thing. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit around and watch these idiots play clown shoes on a beautiful Sunday in September when I could be out playing with my sons

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. See you draft night. 😁

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479756https://brownsboard.com/post/479756Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:00:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:59:11 GMT]]>Anyone who would suggest that manziel was a better pick than bridgewater has to be a racist. Minnesota has a young QB who put up good numbers and developed nicely on his way to rookie of the year honors. Manziel looked like a clueless glue-head until he got injured in his second game.

I'm not saying don't give the kid another chance, but Vikings fans certainly aren't the ones having discussions about trading up for Mariota or Winston.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479755https://brownsboard.com/post/479755Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:59:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:25:13 GMT]]>Bailing on them and simply not caring what shenanigans they get up to anymore isn't the same thing. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit around and watch these idiots play clown shoes on a beautiful Sunday in September when I could be out playing with my sons

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479744https://brownsboard.com/post/479744Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:25:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:16:25 GMT]]>I could post a large number of stats on Bridgewater but I'm not going there. It's done. It's just beating a dead horse. The bigger picture for me is all the good things I see the Browns doing right now. That is my focus.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/479740https://brownsboard.com/post/479740Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:16:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Get Real on Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:12:21 GMT]]>I don't think Bridgewater would have done any better, and maybe worse.

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@oldbrownsfan said:

In my universe Steve I would have gone with the recommendation of my $100,000 study and taken Bridgewater. It makes no sense to do a study like this and not follow the recommendation. It defies logic. If the Browns want to throw away another 100 grand they can send it to OBF.

Where would this team be at right now if they had drafted Bridgewater instead of Manziel. I think the answer is obvious.

Obvious?

What makes you think the rookie Bilgewater would have beaten out the veteran?

Also what was Minnesota's record?

WSS

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