@d-bone said:

Not picking on you but it better be. To miss on Manziel and Gilbert is a huge mistake.

@miktoxic said:

Then I'll be sure NOT to mention that other nameless CB that was in today.....

@miktoxic said:

Or, as the case with Cameron/Clay.....The Browns sign somebody.... and that takes that discussion off the table.

@darren15 said:

ha! true that.

seems like as soon as we start talking about someone they're signed by someone else.

hope that stays true with bowe. please someone else sign him.

@tour2ma said:

True enough Tour- the Ravens found Ngata expendable. I just hope Farmer is right in his talent evaluation.

@opal312 said:

I don't have to. They'll find that out on their own...

@hoorta said:

Um....he wasn't really good either.....(can you say one dimensional?)

If my memory serves me, it was Whitner playing in the proBowl while Ward stayed home.....and it's Whitner who is rated top 10, while Ward is way down the list.....and it's Whitner who is considered a leader and mentor in the lockerroom, while Ward points fingers and creates tension....whitner brought a winners mentality to a bad team, while Ward did the opposite....

Id make that move over and over and over again.....

@opal312 said:

I couldn't agree more! Not to mention he signed with the Jets for not real big money. What's wrong with the Browns? TJ Ward, Buster Skrine and Sheard not good enough?

The money is not big for a #2 CB, but if the staff believes another backup was going to surpass him, then he's an expensive #3.

You really need to get over TJ.

You can't keep them all...

@opal312 said:

Actually, I don't think they see that they are replacing Skrine with an older player, but with younger players Gilbert/Desir/Williams. Browner would just be veteran depth.....not a quid pro quo replacement.

As for Sheard.....possibly his replacement will be Mingo or a name they call on draft day....so that too would be getting younger

@hoorta said:

and he'd be the first one cut if they had to make that kind of move.

lord knows he put the broncs over the top like your boy sammy did for buffalo.

@opal312 said:

Exactly. Not like those guys got signed for cap busting contracts.

Ward really sucked playing for the Broncos- NOT.

@poeticg said:

You guys don't seem to realize how good of a CB Skrine was. Skrine should have been a Brown. He's probably the fastest player on... or the fastest player that WAS on the team. Buster played the game the way it was supposed to be played. He rarely held a WR in coverage... he was however called for a lot of penalties that shouldn't have been penalties. He was really good. He worked his ass off to get better every season and we reward him by letting him go. Horrible example of how to treat your own. But, sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone.

I couldn't agree more! Not to mention he signed with the Jets for not real big money. What's wrong with the Browns? TJ Ward, Buster Skrine and Sheard not good enough?

@poeticg said:

He's probably the fastest player on... or the fastest player that WAS on the team.

Benji is faster, and Gilbert is just as fast

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Which-Browns-player-ran-the-fastest-40-yard-dash-at-NFL-Combine/19db079f-18d3-44c6-a835-cc68ff3e367e

@calfoxwc said:

Totally agree Cal!

@poeticg said:

You guys don't seem to realize how good of a CB Skrine was. Skrine should have been a Brown. He's probably the fastest player on... or the fastest player that WAS on the team. Buster played the game the way it was supposed to be played. He rarely held a WR in coverage... he was however called for a lot of penalties that shouldn't have been penalties. He was really good. He worked his ass off to get better every season and we reward him by letting him go. Horrible example of how to treat your own. But, sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone.

Umm.... Just no.......

You don't get that many PI's called on you if you didn't do it all the time. I'm glad he got his pay day, but even more glad we got rid of him.

on him, and he was a liability against good receivers who were taller

and could also jump.

I expect Gilbert and Desir to really come on, and that makes Buster not worth all that money

to the Browns.

He's a feisty, fearless good player, but certainly not a "sign at any cost" player.

I like K. Williams and Desir though, I think our Secondary is really strong. But we'll need to find Whitner's replacement soon, at least to start grooming. If Gipson's potential is an apparition then things start to get muddy. We need to build through the draft, this is true; but, we need to retain the players that become playmakers once it's time to pay up. We need to quit being a farming team for the rest of the NFL. It's started with Sheard, Skrine, Cameron and a few others... that needs to stop.

@utzie said:

What? Gilbert is 6'1, Desir is 6'1, Haden is 5'11 and Kwaun is 5'9. So we average around 6' at our CB spot.