@tour2ma said:

I hear ya. Heads we win - tails they lose. Not to mention what 1 more concussion does to all that hot math in Miami's front office...

Moeaki seems to miss a lot of time...

@the-gipper said:

So? Right now we can look at this as a trade between the Browns and Dolphins, Jordan Cameron for Brian Hartline. We took their guy, they took ours.

Point was if Hartline has credibility with Clay he can recruit Clay. It was a good point neither mentioned before nor commented upon after.

If it ends up Hartline + Clay for Cam... I'd welcome it.

If it remains stuck at Hart + $9mm vs. Cam, I'm fine with that.

@the-gipper said:

Even if Clay get taken off the board for the Browns there are still a few TEs out there to be had, that may be as worthy as JC was (at least less risky):

Jemaine Gresham

Tony Moeaki

Jacob Tamme

David Ausberry

Though I do think a TE will be taken in the draft. Probably not 1st/2d round but starting in round 3. James, O'Leary, Heuerman are possibles.

Moeaki and Heuerman would be ideal, in my opinion.

Jemaine Gresham

Tony Moeaki

Jacob Tamme

David Ausberry

Though I do think a TE will be taken in the draft. Probably not 1st/2d round but starting in round 3. James, O'Leary, Heuerman are possibles.

@the-gipper said:

Well they took the risk of more concussions, but protected themselves with no guaranteed money. We get a guy who may fit better what our O is trying to do eventually. Possession receiver vs occasional hr hitter who more often than not is not even there to play. I'll take that trade any day. History of concussions usually leads to very early retirement. We shall see.

@tour2ma said:

So? Right now we can look at this as a trade between the Browns and Dolphins, Jordan Cameron for Brian Hartline. We took their guy, they took ours.

If that were a trade, would you make it?

(but if we get Clay....we win?)

@tiamat63 said:

I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...

Good point...

@opal312 said:

Well, now that the Browns actually did lose Cameron, they need to try harder to get Clay.

I would hope the whole embarassment of "we signed JC.....oops, no we didn't" would motivate them to go out and get this guy.

@browns_fucking_rule said:

Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.

Totally agree. Different types of players for sure

Clay about 8 months younger actually than Jordan

What about injury history? Jordan's is an issue, how about Clay?

Clay has had more catches for more yards and more TDs that Cameron....of course Cameron has missed half his games.

Other pros/cons? I am of the belief that the money should be similar.

Cameron saying essentially that he doesn't want to stay......so black mark on him.

What else?

@mudfly said:

OK, brilliant....that cold knock Miami out of it.....but who else is in the hunt for him?

@the-gipper said:

I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

@mudfly said:

Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

year 2 = $ 4 million

year 3 = $ 4 million

so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

@opal312 said:

What makes anyone think that we are having any dealings with the Eagles at all?

Just because we are the only team with 2 first rounders? Just because Kelly would like to get his hands on Mariota?

It is not the Browns he needs to deal with for that.

WTF can they give us or WTF can we give them that would net them Mariota.

Besides....Kelly is going all in for a different offense. They just acquired DeMarco Murray.

@mudfly said:

I could not tell if that represented the current situation after the last few days of signing or not. Per that it did seem to imply that the Dolphins still had about 6 Million in cap room...third least. Browns had 3rd most.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

@mudfly said:

Where do you get the dope on those figures?

Yeah no slouch, but not elite... Forgot to mention that Clay has a fairly low drop rate at 3.6%... same as Dray.