some good info in this thread, a shame you'd never know it from the title.

Gip, consider editing ur title for winos to inspect. just my $.02

@ballpeen said:

LOL, let those who doubted me the Wine List looks like a telephone book- well- there's the proof.

If I lived in Tampa- I'd probably be on government assistance blowing a fortune on those bottles. That double mag of 1947 Latour should be monumental- if you can afford the movie star price tag.

http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-inside-the-worlds-largest-wine-cellar-2014-3

@diehardbrownsfan said:

As was corrected for those who didn't know he was talking about restaurant wine lists...Berns is. They must have 8000 different wines in their cellar. I am not talking bottles. I am talking about 8000 different wines, of which they might hold only a bottle or two, up to cases

@the-gipper said:

You silly guy. http://buyingguide.winemag.com/varietals/italian-red/charbono I was ahead of the curve on this one. Very few wineries produced it way back in the 60s- Including Inglenook. "They used to make Charbono fruity, dry (when “dry” meant dry) and tannic. It lived forever, softening and sweetening in the bottle." I'll vouch for that quote- the Charbono I had at Bern's was pushing 30 years old when we drank it. And there should be no debate anymore where a grape came from- yup Gip- they do DNA analysis on grapes now. Zinfandel = Primiitivo. http://www.wineinstitute.org/resources/winefactsheets/article99 The Sebastianis and other Italian immigrants probably brought the cuttings over with them.

@hoorta said:

Maybe in another year or two I would like to get out there. We just got back from a vacation in NC, and though I will be doing some other traveling, my wife will not likely to be able to travel until next May when we should be going to San Antonio for my daughter's graduation, and she has a few places she doesn't want me to travel without her, and the Napa Valley is one.

Did you say you drank a Joe Charbono (eau) wine? Or was that a Cher Bono wine?

http://cleveland.cityvoter.com/best/wine-bar/nightlife/cleveland

@the-gipper said:

Allow me to re-phrase- Bern's is the Mecca of Restaurant Wine Lists- by far the biggest in the world. 200+ different wines by the glass, for starters. Last time I was there, the actual list resembled a telephone book. Found a wine I thought I'd never see again- a 1969 Inglenook Charbono. Then you go upstairs for dessert, and there's only a smaller telephone book of dessert wines and spirits. You want Napoleon Cognac that's as old as Napoleon? We got it. Guy is a fanatic- the working wine cellar is the size of a small house. I was getting my family so honked off perusing the selections- the third time we went there, I just told the sommelier what I wanted to spend, and what I had in mind, and let him pick something.

I've been to Napa- Route 29 is like walking down the aisle of a store- but it's the actual wineries- Mondavi, Berenger- Whitehall Lane, Grgich Hills, Coppola. Pays to make reservations ahead for the places you want to visit. PM me when you're ready to go, and I'll give you some recommendations of places to visit. There's also several places off the main drag that are well worth a visit, like Chandon and Hess Collection.

@the-gipper said:

Ya, I find it hard to believe that a steak house in Tampa Fl is the 'mecca of winedom', LOL

@hoorta said:

I thought France or the Napa Valley was the Mecca of Winedom, not SW FLA.

One of the future trips I want to take with my wife is Napa. She and I were just talking about that about an hour ago. Are you saying that instead of France or Calif that we should go to Fla?

@ballpeen said:

Hmmm.... I'll have to keep that in mind. One thing I really miss since my father in law is no longer in the Clearwater area is Bern's Steakhouse.

BTW Gip- if you didn't know- it's the Mecca of Winedom in the world. http://www.bernssteakhouse.com/ Food isn't too shabby either. Zombo heartily agrees.

never had the snowbird desire. maybe it's because i lived in AZ for a couple of years and had to deal with people like me now that turn their blinker on and leave it on until arriving at your destination in the opposite direction.

our desire is to one day sell this and move back to ohio.

my wife always tells me i do stuff ass backwards.

What do Ireland and Florida have in common? Both have palm trees.

@the-gipper said:

Been saying that a long time, but we also like it here in Tennessee. It is still a year away at least. Probably 2-3 more between selling this place and actually doing it. But, when we do, I don't see keeping the season tickets unless we are really good and can sell them pretty easily.

Allegiant Air now flies from St. Pete/Clearwater to Akron/Canton. It's about a $150 flight round trip. If they stay in business, I'll keep the tickets for a while and just fly up for those prices. St.Pete/ Clearwater is a really nice airport and only about 100 miles from Venice. My wife flies down out of here 6-7 times a year to go check up on her mom on Allegiant. Nice planes. Solid service.

I'd like to encourage all you Clevelanders to fly down to St.Pete a time or two a year on Allegiant. Lot's to do in the Tampa/Clearwater/St. Pete area. Maybe once around Christmas and then again late February when you simply need to get away from the snow and need to feel 75 on you skin for 3-4 days. If it's cold, ok, it might only be 65.

@ballpeen said:

Didn't you say you were moving to FLA before long? What are you gonna do then?

I have been making it a point of not getting to the tailgates/bars until around 9:30-10 on Sundays. I still wake up at 5-6 so I end up sitting around the room for 3-4 hours. I figure driving up from Columbus is a good way to kill the better portion of that time and well worth the money saved.

I now like the Medina option because I do like not having to drive back to my room. Saturday night is wings and beer while watching college football at Bdubs. Sunday is the Brown Derby for a Martini or two, prime rib and a glass of Cab.

@bob806 said:

But poor service.....at least on that day.

@the-gipper said:

That place is called the Cornerstone- great beer in there, food good as well.

@bob806 said:

No, Mike's was the place we went to eat after we couldn't get seated at the other place. I can't recall the name of that place. It was on the corner right by the square. Mike's is a block or two north of there.

@the-gipper said:

Yes, like I said I'm certain they don't have a Sunday license.

Weird about Mike's, that's my favorite in downtown Berea.