@flugel said:

I think DA has plenty of chances to show progress. When he's throwing screen passes for TDs to the opponent the way he did at Baltimore - that's regression he's shown every single year. He goes in the opposite direction a QB should go in. He's getting WORSE with experience instead of better. We didn't have to get rid of Charlie Frye if that's all we wanted from the QB position.

First year 06 DA's last start vrs the 4-12 TB team he threw 4 INTs.

Second Year, in Cincy right before Christmas again, he had 4 INTs vrs a crappy Cincy team.

Third year, late in the season he threw his 2nd INTs for a score in the game and I think the screen pass marked the 4th time Balt scored on a DA pass unless I'm inlcuding the Ray Lewis INT return in the 2nd Balt game of 2007 to make it 4.

There seems to be a game plan that's been very effective against DA from NFL DCs around the league. This Cinderella Story hit midnight in November of 2007. I don't care if Quinn is the evil step-sister in this story. We've seen enough of Cinderella after midnight to know we need something better. Why not go with a 1st round hunch rumored to be very intelligent and good at football?

Notre Dame went from BCS caliber to considering the Military Academies as their BIG game. He was a HUGE difference to that program, which was WHY we wanted him for our program. He can only succeed if he gets the chance. Otherwise, we could have REALLY USED a 1st round pick in 08.

- Tom F.

i disagree Tom. every year i see him taking on more. sometimes it looks like less, but if he were in a diminished role i feel you'd see him excel.

Why not go with a 1st round hunch rumored to be very intelligent and good at football?

we know what Derek brought in '07. soapbox derbys, toboggan rides, and similar rollercoaster thrills of a brakeless wonderland. it's listed in the inventory now.

i'm completely in favor of evaluating the rest of the roster.

additionally these situations where players on the back-end of their career doing just enough to keep the young guys from developing as quickly as you'd like perpetuate into the Browns i know.

utilizing all our tools while eliminating uni-taskers, building through the draft and establishing depth........that's what i'm all about.

united we stand.......

Masters said:

seriously he came a long way. --he couldn't even throw both directions last year. he added some touch in '08 but only got to to show it for a limited time.

a break from the game could do him good right now. he can get loose in practice under what, 3? legit former QB coaches. CLE will be QB University '09 compared to before. it's good experience.

@sisky-fringo said:

sorry guys but memories of yester-year don't translate to today's NFL.

weak arms are obsolete.

i didn't say Quinn has a weak arm for the record.

also for the record DA's short pass improved significantly from '07 to '08.

Sisky,

I think DA has plenty of chances to show progress. When he's throwing screen passes for TDs to the opponent the way he did at Baltimore - that's regression he's shown every single year. He goes in the opposite direction a QB should go in. He's getting WORSE with experience instead of better. We didn't have to get rid of Charlie Frye if that's all we wanted from the QB position.

First year 06 DA's last start vrs the 4-12 TB team he threw 4 INTs.

Second Year, in Cincy right before Christmas again, he had 4 INTs vrs a crappy Cincy team.

Third year, late in the season he threw his 2nd INTs for a score in the game and I think the screen pass marked the 4th time Balt scored on a DA pass unless I'm inlcuding the Ray Lewis INT return in the 2nd Balt game of 2007 to make it 4.

There seems to be a game plan that's been very effective against DA from NFL DCs around the league. This Cinderella Story hit midnight in November of 2007. I don't care if Quinn is the evil step-sister in this story. We've seen enough of Cinderella after midnight to know we need something better. Why not go with a 1st round hunch rumored to be very intelligent and good at football?

Notre Dame went from BCS caliber to considering the Military Academies as their BIG game. He was a HUGE difference to that program, which was WHY we wanted him for our program. He can only succeed if he gets the chance. Otherwise, we could have REALLY USED a 1st round pick in 08.

- Tom F.

@sisky-fringo said:

Wow!!! What games did you watch?

@sisky-fringo said:

DA really improved his screen pass accuracy to the other team from '07 to '08.

oldcow1945 said:

Big arms are so overrated. Too many of the greatest Qb's had weaker arms.

and i bet Sipe could take us to the super bowl....

sorry guys but memories of yester-year don't translate to today's NFL.

weak arms are obsolete.

i didn't say Quinn has a weak arm for the record.

also for the record DA's short pass improved significantly from '07 to '08.

@inspecta said:

Mario seems pretty intent on identifying the "cryers" of the world, and thusly punishing them with fierce words on the internet.

You go Mario, show us crybabies who's boss.....

Luigi was always cooler anyway. While Mario couldn't get over that cold fish Peach....Luigi was the true MacDaddy out playing the field.

DWJ

@choco said:

who the xxxx are you......and more importantly, why should we give a xxxx?

thanks, move along troll.

He's someone who likes to use the word vagina a lot.

As Mario would say, "Carry on Vaginas."

@mario said:

Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.

Thanks for generalizing your comment to every Browns Fan.

That'll win you a ton of friends!

@mario said:

whoa.....

who the xxxx are you......and more importantly, why should we give a xxxx?

thanks, move along troll.

@mario said:

We can't beat the steelers, so you guys cry about how they cheat to win a handful of superbowls to our 0.

They have nobody on their OLine, yet we broke the bank on Eric and Thomas, yet we still suck. So you cry about.

Brady Quinn plays a few games, and the only good one is his dink and dunk game, so you cry about it.

DA sets the benchmark in recent Browns history on our best season, so you cry about that.

Braylon Edwards had the best season of any browns reciever ever in 2007, so you cry about that.

Hey Browns fans... why don't you quit crying, and start 2 man up. You guys sound like our team. A bunch of underachieving cry babies, I wonder if our fans spread this to our team.

I guess I'll just let this thread go. I suppose I'm the only Browns fan on this site with a set of nuts, who refuses to cry everytime Lumberg comments on a thread, and turn it into a Anti DA anti Lumberg topic.

I'll just sit back and watch the threads, and see you cry baby Vaginas let Lumberg dominate this forum.

Good day, Vaginas

Have fun being 14, moron.

We can't beat the steelers, so you guys cry about how they cheat to win a handful of superbowls to our 0.

They have nobody on their OLine, yet we broke the bank on Eric and Thomas, yet we still suck. So you cry about.

Brady Quinn plays a few games, and the only good one is his dink and dunk game, so you cry about it.

DA sets the benchmark in recent Browns history on our best season, so you cry about that.

Braylon Edwards had the best season of any browns reciever ever in 2007, so you cry about that.

Hey Browns fans... why don't you quit crying, and start 2 man up. You guys sound like our team. A bunch of underachieving cry babies, I wonder if our fans spread this to our team.

I guess I'll just let this thread go. I suppose I'm the only Browns fan on this site with a set of nuts, who refuses to cry everytime Lumberg comments on a thread, and turn it into a Anti DA anti Lumberg topic.

I'll just sit back and watch the threads, and see you cry baby Vaginas let Lumberg dominate this forum.

Good day, Vaginas

@mario said:

Again... Vagina

I guess the old saying is right....you are what you eat...

DICK!

Again... Vagina

Have fun.. Vagina.

@mario said:

Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.

yet you still take time out of your worthless day to comment on a brown's fan page. good one loser

Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.

@lumbergh said:

Yep, we all know how horrible those weak armed Qb's are in the NFL. Especially that noodle armed Montana guy!

Lum, I'm not sure if you are really this stupid or you just try to get a rise out of people. I really hope it's the latter.

If it's the former then I pray you haven't procreated.

I'm telllin' ya. All the discriminating Browns fan needs is to set up an account on Stan's board here. No other news source is needed.

Plus! We have the added dimension of entertainment here (Lum and Sev)!

@lumbergh said:

Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.

Just a little clarification for you...

Hey, Tony: Given the facts the Jets run the same vertical offense as the Browns and both the Jets and Ravens passed on Brady Quinn in the draft, why is it assumed Brady is the starter and not D.A.? -- Mike Gedeon, Hudson

Hey, Mike: A couple of clarifications: 1. The Jets ran the same vertical offense as the Browns under coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. He stayed in New York and Eric Mangini appointed Brian Daboll as Browns offensive coordinator. Daboll intends to run the New England offense, which Quinn was schooled under by Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. 2. The Ravens tried to trade up in the 2007 draft to select Quinn but the Browns beat them to the punch. I can turn around your logic and point out that the Ravens elected to release Derek Anderson while George Kokinis was their pro personnel director. Kokinis is now Browns GM.

and here:

It has been presumed that Quinn will be the Browns' starter in '09, especially since new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is expected to run the same New England Patriots-style attack that Quinn flourished in under Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis. That would leave Anderson, a 2007 Pro Bowl player, as trade bait, perhaps to acquire more draft picks. The Browns hold only four selections in the April 25-26 NFL Draft

or this:

Quinn claims to have built a great rapport with Daboll, and says the new coordinator intends to incorporate aspects of the Browns' offense with those of his former system in New England. This isn't too bad to hear either, seeing as the Patriots could have a leper as starting quarterback and still post a winning record (granted the levels of talent on both teams are on slightly different wavelengths).

so much for us making this stuff up

mz. said:

Really? This is what it's come to? Outright lies??

BQ needs to get one of these to warm up his arm..........

Instant Noodle Perfection Timer won’t leave you with limp noodles

* By Andrew Dobrow

* May 16, 2007

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A LED screen and a vocal countdown is used to keep you from having a sodium-filled hot dinner, rather than a sodium-filled cold dinner. What have you got to lose other than your pride? Available for $25. — Andrew Dobrow

mz. said:

Really? This is what it's come to? Outright lies??

Havent you heard? He can barely get it 25 yards in the air...

@lumbergh said:

L O Fcuking L.

Really? This is what it's come to? Outright lies??

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.

Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.