Everyone gets hit up a lot on LinkedIn about various job opportunities. I got one today for some kind of management consulting. They're in the UK (expanding to the US) and said 40% of they're employees are from Oxford and Cambridge, with the rest coming from "elite engineering schools worldwide".

So right after we has this discussion, more anecdotal evidence came up. And the fact they're in the UK just made it even funnier lol

Chris got it eventually, I guess I got that going for me.

The War on drugs is a failure. The qualifier is that there are some substances that should be kept away from the general populace.

Crack, meth, and a few others need enforcement. I would put this at the local level.

Okay. *breathes* If you're isolating Math from stem (which you did) it's a silly statement. business & finance do math & quantatative skills. That's what they do.

Therefore, it's no more easy to teach business majors math than it is stem majors business.

Let's try this:

It is much easier to teach an engineer/STEM major *history* then teach a history major *Military history*.

May your eyes uncross and your headache subside quickly.

@gftchris said:

I don't remember which I struggled most with, but PDEs are fairly straight forwards, and used in pretty much every 'sciency' science, like physics, chemistry and the rest.

That being said, one of the hardest classes to get a grip on was the intro to abstraction course - just a whole different world of mathematics compared to what I'd learnt in high school. Massively abstract, very weird.

The diffy q's used in actual engineering applications after that point were simple

Linear Algebra/ Matrix Algebra was technically a high level course, but it wasn't as bad. Got a little theoretical /abstract at the end, but we didn't go too deep into it

@mld-woody said:

I don't remember which I struggled most with, but PDEs are fairly straight forwards, and used in pretty much every 'sciency' science, like physics, chemistry and the rest.

That being said, one of the hardest classes to get a grip on was the intro to abstraction course - just a whole different world of mathematics compared to what I'd learnt in high school. Massively abstract, very weird.

@gftchris said:

And I studied math

Then you have the foundation to do anything.

I think I was like a class away from a minor. Highest/most difficult class was Honors Theoretical Differential Equations. Very Chinese Prof. It sucked.

@mld-woody said:

And I studied math

And that's the joke. A physics major would probably say the same thing about engineering.

But, everything is kind of science. And science is math...

@mld-woody said:

Econ's a science?

@legacy-fan said:

Econ & Biology

Haha

Soft sciences... Pffff

"It is much easier to teach an engineer/STEM major business then teach a business major math/quantitative skills/etc"

Maybe I should have just said quantitative? Or higher level math?

Again, I'm not saying they can't. That's dumb. I'm not saying there aren't business majors out there that are math wizzes. I'm just saying, on average, one would be easier than the other.

Idk how much clearer I could make it at this point.

"STEM majors easier to learn business than business majors learning *MATH*"

This was the original statement. It's verifiable 2-3 pgs back.

I pointed out that it's ridiculous statement because business majors' main focus is *MATH*

Had your original statement been:

"STEM majors easier to learn business than business majors learning *STEM*"

Then that's a logical, non-ridiculous statement to make. I'd have no argument with it (and I agree with it).

STEM absolutely is a more rigorous area(s) of study when you include the Science, Technology & Engineering fields. And other than a few exceptions they would generally perform better in a less demanding major like business & finance.

I really can't be any more clear.

"muddled speech". Woody has trouble, it seems, making legit points, so he reverts to

personal antagonisms and muddle quips, instead of engaging in thoughtful, legimate

discussions.

Although, he seems to be trying to do that thoughtful discussion thing, but the original paragraph

needed work, since it didn't support his intented message. "Communication" is a two part process.

One, a message is sent, and TWO, the message is understood - for the communicative process to

be completed.

@gftchris said:

And as I said at the time, I struggled to grasp what you were saying, before clarifying

The original post may have had too much "college speak". Even after I clarified though, Legacys response included a quoted phrase I never said or attempted to say.

It's easy to talk all of this shit when you're referencing something I never said.

That's the point I'm trying to get at now

@legacy-fan said:

It's a four year doctorate just like the other hundred dental schools in the States. We all enrolled at the same time, and graduated 4 years later, thus we are a "class"

I only like doing this because y'all (well woody infinitely more than you) gets very defensive over personal educational background.

This started because he made an "analogy-type" statement that would have been thrown out if it were found on any kind of standardized test (and likely prompted melt-downs of 15 yr old pre-STEM students across the US). I just voiced my qualm with it. And we all watched him demonstrate with words what a "blue screen" looks like on a human being.

It wasn't an analogy. I guess analogy-type? But I'm not sure what that is

Really, it wasn't that defensive. In all of these instances where you seem to think I'm being defensive, I'm not just replying to myself...

I made a statement. You disagreed and tried to morph it into something I never said. I provided my anecdotal evidence, if that's how you want to describe it, of how "business" companies recruit a top engineering school and what I've heard first hand. Chris presented his anecdotal evidence.

"blue screened"? How? Again, if you just actually read my post, instead of twisting it into what you saw fit, there probably wouldn't be any issue here.

@mld-woody said:

And as I said at the time, I struggled to grasp what you were saying, before clarifying

I really don't think it was that difficult of a statement to grasp. Legacy also responded to it with quotes around something I never said or attempted to say.

I guess if you just decide on your end what I'm saying, then it might not make any sense. My suggestion would be to just read my posts as is though...

Haha

Instead, he made a statement didn't make any sense and I commented that it was A ridiculous statement. And next, Sparks and smoke

Didn't realise dentistry was also a post-graduate thing - what was your major, then?