@legacy-fan said:

Probably just some pets, a couple of goats, and some cows. Evolution took care of the rest.

Lol, what do you mean by "evolution took care of the research"? Or were you making a joke? I can't tell anymore in this thread

@mld-woody said:

2 of every animal?

@mld-woody said:

The bible gives the answers for the reason for the universe, the reason for the earth and the reason for man. I would like to know what you believe in regards to how the universe came about? The bible reason for the universe was the earth, the reason for the earth was man and the reason for man was fellowship. I find that easier to believe than out of nothing came the universe. I find it easier to believe in Hebrew 11:3 Things seen were made of things that do not appear over things seen were made from nothing.

@legacy-fan said:

2 of every animal?

Plenty of instances of people imagining or seeing apparitions after a traumatic event (seeing someone nailed to a tree might qualify)

@legacy-fan said:

There are lines in the New Testament that seem to promote a Geocentric view of the universe, right?

A global flood?

Reincarnation?

I would say the parts about Creation, but I know you can "interpret" that section in different ways. How long is a day to god anyway? Stuff like that...

Really, I guess that can be said about much of it. I would need to know what someone believes literally in the Bible, and what they consider just stories. I don't think you can prove God does or does not exist, so in that sense, no. But a virgin birth, walking on water? Come on...

I just feel like these "stories" go from literal to metaphorical over time in an attempt to save face in a world where people are getting smarter each day.

@oldbrownsfan said:

The Christian perspective isn't why I have a problem with it. The lack of reason is why I have a problem with it.

Your original post regarding inventors and scientific advancements, that is pretty hard to understand. I've read all of your posts. Many more then once to double check what you were saying, and even then, someone of it is still ridiculous. I don't see how you can just ignore all of the inventions from non-Christian nations.

This is getting off topic though. I guess it is easy to sit here and attack what you're saying like this. I'd rather keep hearing your explanations for various points of Christianity or the Bible. Are there any other stories in the Bible you take literally?

@mld-woody said:

Science has been proving these parts of the Bible wrong for centuries, and the result is just those stories becoming "metaphors" (unless you're really crazy).

@oldbrownsfan said:

Well no shit there was a rise in knowledge thanks to the printing press. And no shit that The Bible was probably the most printed book. But to look at the spread of the Bible as the CAUSE of the increased knowledge, is incredibly flawed. What exactly in the bible would promote the spread of knowledge?

This all goes back to your "great minds" comment. Completely ignoring non-Christian areas, to make it seem like they only came from "Christian countries" (regardless of how the actual scientist felt) is absurd.

I guess it ties in to what you believe literally in the Bible and what you don't. Science has been proving these parts of the Bible wrong for centuries, and the result is just those stories becoming "metaphors" (unless you're really crazy).

The Bible is the truth because God says so. God is real because the Bible says so. The Bible is the truth because God says so. God is real because.... etc etc etc.

@gftchris said:

I was thinking the same thing. This is getting borderline crazy in my mind

@gftchris said:

To say that for centuries all the great scientists, scientific discoveries and inventions were almost exclusively coming from western Christian countries is a fact. There is nothing silly about linking the rise of knowledge in Christian western countries to the invention of the printing press. For a minister who lived through this period of time, seeing all the scientists, scientific discoveries and inventions coming exclusively out of western Christian countries and then linking it to the printing of bibles was speculation but it is not an absurd speculation. The minister was coming from a Christian perspective Psalm 119:130 "the entrance of thy words gives light (understanding). I think there was a definite link in the invention of the printing press and increased knowledge in Christian western countries but I would agree it was more of a speculation by this minister to link it to getting bibles into the hands of the masses. We know that just because a scientist lived in a Christian country that did not mean they were Christians either.

@mld-woody said:

@mld-woody said:

I thought I had cleared that up. I was referring to an article I had read that said there was a huge amount of creativity and inventions when bibles got into the hands of ordinary people in Christian countries. If you look at the link I am posting you will see he is correct. There was a huge amount of creativity and inventors going on in western Christian nations that was not going on in countries like China, India or other non Christian countries. His observation was correct. You can argue the reason for it. You could argue the invention of the printing press itself was the reason for the boom of inventors and inventions and not just the printing of bibles. However, getting bibles into the hands of the masses was a great thing in itself.

http://teresacoppens.hubpages.com/hub/Major-Inventions-Timeline-18th-and-19th-Centuries

@oldbrownsfan said:

As I posted before you better hurry up to disprove the bible. Time is running out.

@legacy-fan said:

Only with the disclaimer that their work has been "translated and interpreted and used to control masses countless times for evil. Crusades! Catholics!" ... And whatever other tired auto reply you've programmed yourself to respond with.

.... I never said it was everyone. I never said brilliant Christian scientists don't exist. I'm just pointing out, in the past, brilliant minds from Christian countries kept quiet on their beliefs to avoid the wrath of the church.

I mean, if I invent something, does credit go to a Christian country?

Either way, OBFs original comment regarding great inventors only coming from Christian countries I incredibly stupid. Incredibly important inventions have come from China, India, etc.

I guess this sums up the POV of most the believers around here rather nicely.........kinda catchy.

by Gina Cassini | Top Right News

Driving along an interstate near Dallas on Thursday, a tour bus transporting the stars of Lady Antebellum suddenly caught fire.

Garland police confirmed that the driver of the bus stopped the vehicle after a tire blew out, and the bus eventually went up in flames while stopped on Interstate 30. Luckily, no one was injured, but singer Hillary Scott wrote on Instagram that “EVERYTHING in the back lounge was destroyed from the flames” — except one thing.

Her Bible.

Scott said the “outside cover was burned and messed up but NOT ONE PAGE was missing.”

“He is FOR YOU, WILL PROTECT YOU, AND HIS LOVE FOR YOU WILL NEVER FADE. My faith is forever deepened because of today. I hope this story deepens yours,” the singer added.

Scott said she, her husband, their tour manager and the driver were on the Dallas-bound bus.

The group is reportedly in the Dallas area for the 50th annual Academy Country Music Awards at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington. Lady Antebellum is nominated for Vocal Group of the Year at the awards.

@calfoxwc said:

Which emotion is it exactly that was being displayed?

I mean, apart from trolling you to get a knee-jerk reaction out of you, I was just having a bit of fun.

and kidnapped 267 girls and went around beheading thousands and threw Muslims off of cruise ships

and........

Emotional knee-jerky that makes no freakin sense.

@gftchris said:

Every muslism hasn't apologised for terrorist attacks so they are just as guilty as the terrorists.

/clevfan and others logic?

Of course the Crusades were hundreds of years before any of the people you condemn were born. The extreme Muslim terrorism is going on across the globe as we speak.

WSS

@gftchris said:

If Pew is correct, a good majority of the muslim world would cheer instead of apologize.