@mudfly said:

I wouldnt call his #'s extremely low at all. Pretty good for a 4-3 backer actually.

@mudfly said:

Aaron Donald...picked at 19 last year? Man, we could do with picking up his clone this year!

@wargograw said:

Suh was ranked 3rd for DT, behind Arron Donald and Gerald McCoy......37 tackles(4th)...8 sacks(5th)....37 hurries(1st).....38 stops(1st)......and a big pile of penalties...10(1st)....w/o the penalties he would have been #1 (same can be said for McCoy who tied him for the most)

@wargograw said:

I wouldnt call his #'s extremely low at all. Pretty good for a 4-3 backer actually. He was tied for 4th in sacks(and had 40 hurries) and was 15th in tackles overall......though, when broken down, his pass rush score is just above average and his run stop #'s are where he was stellar......

@gftchris said:

he may have a lot of hurries and hits that don't count as sacks.

He's also extremely good setting the edge against the run, IIRC.

You nailed it Chris.....great run stopper.....and a boat load of QB hits(10), hurries(40) and stops(48).....plus, add that he doesn't miss any tackles and played the whole season w/o a single penalty......supersolid.....

He's also extremely good setting the edge against the run, IIRC.

I'm curious how Suh did and how the league's best CBs stack up, since several are in an ongoing pissing match with each other/their critics.

@wargograw said:

It's Oakland. Teams probably played away from him. Opposite to Skrine getting a load of INTs because teams attacked him, not Haden, I guess.

@mudfly said:

Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55

Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....

So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......

I mean his actual stats. 55 tackles, 4 sacks.

@frenchie said:

Even though this is just a one season analysis, it tells me what I already knew, all the time, money and effort that goes into talent evaluation by NFL teams is worthless. It's a crap shoot. 3 UDFA's on the list? Oh well, it is after all, a league where the best QB in its history was selected in the 6th round.

Same data... different conclusion...

If it's a crap shoot with all the scouting that is done, I hate to think how poor the selecting would be without it.

And while you'd get a lot of arguments about Brady being the best ever... in the roll call of HOF QBs, there are quite a number of low draft choices or UDFAs and/or were released from their original teams.

@wargograw said:

Mack?......not sure if asking about our Mack .....or K. Mack......??.......K Mack was off the charts good at 55

Alex Mack had a great score (for 5 games)......since you get a score each week, your overall score is cumulative.....For his 5 games, Mack had a 6.9, which is pretty good even for 16 games......if you project the same performance over 16, he would have scored a 22.1 and been rated #2 center in the league(Mangold had a 22.6)....

So, Id say....both Macks were well above average.......

@tour2ma said:

Yes, I had him as #10, but turns out he is really #11 with a 33.5

@mudfly said:

So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........

Put me down for three... Mack, Borland and Linder.

I am surprised Mosely did not rate higher.

@mudfly said:

and here are your overall 10 highest rated players....flat out.....all positions/all NFL.....

And not too many surprises here........all top players.......

Interesting breakdown.... 3 OLBs (2-4), 2 DEs, 2 OTs, 1 OG, 1 DT... and a QB in a Pear Tree...

Do you happen to have Joe Thomas' rating for reference?

he is a 'BAAAAAAAD' man.

1) JJ Watt.............DE.........107.5

2) K. Mack...........OLB........55.3.....*rookie

3) V. Miller...........OLB........54.0

4) J. Houston.......OLB........51.1

5) M. Yanda........OG..........43.4

6) A. Rodgers......QB.........40.0

7) S. Richardson..DE.........39.9

J. Peters..........OT.........38.2

9) A. Whitworth....OT.........36.8

10) A. Donald........DT.........34.4.....*rookie

And not too many surprises here........all top players.......

@wargograw said:

I have the top rookies figured already....so here they are.....these are the top 15 rookies, regardless of position......their pff score is the last # listed......and for reference, anything over 20 would be an elite "all-pro" type season.....10-19 would be very good(pro-bowlish).....3-10 would be very good(above average play)........

1) K. Mack OLB / Oak......Rnd 1(5) 55.3

2) A. Donald DT/ StL...........Rnd 1(13) 34.4

3) J. Bitonio OG/ Browns....Rnd 2(35) 22.4

4) Z. Martin OG/Dallas.......Rnd 1(16) 21.6

5) C. Borland ILB/ SF........... Rnd 3(77) 20.8

6) O. Beckham WR/ NYG.........Rnd 1(12) 20.4

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The 6 players above all rated over 20(elite) and were among the top 2-3 players in the NFL...at their respective positions....

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7) B. Linder OG/Jax...........Rnd 3(93) 16.6

C. Mosley ILB/Balt...........Rnd 1(17) 11.3

9) M. Evans WR/TB...........Rnd 1(7) 10.2

10)C. Linsley C / GB.............Rnd 5(161) 10.0

11)A. Baar OLB/Minn........Rnd 1(9) 9.3

12)T. Jernigan DE/Balt............Rnd 2(48) 8.9

13) K. Williams CB/ Browns.....UDFA 8.7

14) A. Norwell OG/Car ..........UDFA 8.5

15)B. Benwikere CB/Car............Rnd 5(148) 7.6

So....there they are....your 15 top rookies for 2014.......how many on this list would you have predicted?.....for me, maybe just a few........

That said, the second Mack was still on the board at #4 I said, "Sammy who?"

... but 55 doesn't suck.

I believe I had that one... with a discount for being OK with the trade down thing...

@tour2ma said:

Fixed...Thanks

Yes....K Mack actually had the highest rating of any player in the NFL......55. something......off the charts.....a 20+ would be considered elite.......our examples.....Bito 22, Joe Thomas 33.....so, 55 is WOW

whoops.....correction.....JJ Watt is #1 at +107.5......holy effing crap!!!!

And Mack was PFF's top rookie?