However, in DA's 10-6 season he was ranked in the bottom half of the league (behind Sage Rosenfels and the 8 and 8 Texans).

Jamal was ranked fifth in total rushing yards.

K2 was third among TE's.

BE was seventh in the league.

There's a pattern of DA lagging behind the rest of the offense, which is why this board debated a QB competition during the off season last year. Its not good to have your QB ranked behind the rest of the O.

Quinn had bad luck w/ an injury.

DA was the worst ranked, but its not fair to throw him in that category because he is a QB. QB's ratings are effected by everybody else around him, or he can effect everybody else around him. You can't watch the first game against Dallas, or the second game against pittsburgh and look me into the face and tell me the offensive line did not get ate alive by those defenses. Hadnot, Shaffer, Steiny, Fraley and Thomas all got thrown around like children. They couldn't keep the pressure off the QB from the split second the ball was snapped. We saw the same thing throughout the season.

Quinns last game he kept getting nailed, nailed, and nailed even more because of the Offensive line letting guys just run through. Sure they weren't all sacks, but they don't have to be sacks. Sometimes pressures and hits after the throw can be just as painful, if not more harmful, then a fair game sack.

The only good game we protected the QB was the NY Giants game. I'm not sure if its because Heiden did a wonderful job putting Justin Tuck on his ass a few times, of if it was the edition of Tucker, but we kept DA clean for the most part, and he played a good game.

@mario said:

Look guys. DA definetely is not Tom Brady, we get it. But don't make him out to be Alex Smith either. He had a good year in 2007, with a terrible defense. In 2008, with the same terrible defense, he had a rough year. He had his #1 WR with a sliced open Ankle, and three games into the season had a bad shoulder and a sliced open Ankle. His supposed #2 guy had the womens curse, and the offensive line did a poor job stopping pressure early in the season and opening up any type of running lanes for our RBs.

Brady Quinn never won anything in college. He has still yet to complete a deep pass in the NFL, and has proven to be not very durable with getting injured in his first three games.

I have nothing personal against Brady Quinn, I just don't think he is the QB who is going to lead the Browns to a winning season. I hope I'm wrong, but I was right when i said Big Gay Ben would be a stud, when I said Matt Ryan would be stud, and when everybody was calling Flacco a fluke, i said he was good. I was wrong on Garcia being good in Tampa, so maybe I'm wrong here, but I have my doubts.

I KNOW Edwards will have another year like 07 if the offense can stay healthy, I just hope whatever QB we have sniffing the farts of Hank Fraley can take advantage of the cockpit we put him in.

If you're going to compare first starts, why not use DA's first start, in 2006? Why pick-and-choose which season you choose DA's first start from? Why not his first start in 2008? Standard DA Lover tactic, manipulate the stats so your boyfriend looks better.

And not durable? Quinn had no injuries as a 4-year starter at ND and left this year with a broken finger on his throwing hand, which he tried to play through. DA's had a bruised finger, a concussion without being struck in the head, and have we heard a thing about his season ending knee injury? That guy can't seem to play through a hang nail.

DA had a shot and left ranked last in the league.

Time to give BQ a shot, meaning something more than 2 days of prep time prior to a start and more than 5 healthy quarters.

We know it wasn't all DA's fault, but he was the worst ranked player on a terrible offense. Seems pretty straight forward.

Look guys. DA definetely is not Tom Brady, we get it. But don't make him out to be Alex Smith either. He had a good year in 2007, with a terrible defense. In 2008, with the same terrible defense, he had a rough year. He had his #1 WR with a sliced open Ankle, and three games into the season had a bad shoulder and a sliced open Ankle. His supposed #2 guy had the womens curse, and the offensive line did a poor job stopping pressure early in the season and opening up any type of running lanes for our RBs.

Brady Quinn never won anything in college. He has still yet to complete a deep pass in the NFL, and has proven to be not very durable with getting injured in his first three games.

I have nothing personal against Brady Quinn, I just don't think he is the QB who is going to lead the Browns to a winning season. I hope I'm wrong, but I was right when i said Big Gay Ben would be a stud, when I said Matt Ryan would be stud, and when everybody was calling Flacco a fluke, i said he was good. I was wrong on Garcia being good in Tampa, so maybe I'm wrong here, but I have my doubts.

I KNOW Edwards will have another year like 07 if the offense can stay healthy, I just hope whatever QB we have sniffing the farts of Hank Fraley can take advantage of the cockpit we put him in.

@vaportrail said:

Anywho.

Pros:

Quinn: Nice touch on the short ball. More mobile than Anderson, might always be a threat to run (if we can give him more than 3 seconds to throw). Seems to go through progressions better than DA.

Anderson: Rocket arm. Quick release. Can thread a needle with his rocket pass. Looked like Tom Brady against the Giants.

Cons:

Quinn: No long ball. Everything long I've seen him throw in the NFL was a quacker.

Anderson: Rocket arm. Known to throw the ball directly to DB's. Probably has a low self-esteem after the treatment he got this year (I was at the Ravens game and thought the Brady chant was bullshit. DA didn't lose us that game, it was our xxxxing defense and Braylon's stone hands.) Inconsistent.

So yeah. Those are my thoughts. It just seems that DA's an all or nothing type player. When he's hot, he can't be stopped. Whereas, Quinn's more consistent, but I think his performance last year can best be described as adequate. When it comes down it, I just think that we'd get more W's (and risk more losses) with DA at the helm than with Quinn. I would like to see us take that risk.

Please keep this civilized.

Mr. Vapor Trail what you have just said..............

@choco said:

are you really that insecure, or do you just suck at the internet, tough guy?

I can't help myself from calling out one of the most ridiculous statements ever posted on this board.

And, obviously from the plethora of responses on my side, I am correct.

Who the xxxx asked you anyway?

AdaM said:

i have yet to read a reply from you that doesn't include an insult...

are you really that insecure, or do you just suck at the internet, tough guy?

@dj_illness said:

I'm glad you're not that dumb for real

LOL I think....but then again I can be an arrogant asshole at times....so maybe we're both mistaken

I'm glad you're not that dumb for real

@dj_illness said:

it makes things funny.

Yea my bad, I was already replying before the other posts came in.

@mario said:

I'm not sure how you read that as me not wanting my team to succeed.

Oh, and Mario: what's your Age/Sex/Location, hotstuff! It's Friday, and I'm looking to par-tay!

@clevelandfanforlife said:

see?

it makes things funny.

@dj_illness said:

Jesus, what is the point. You read the whole thing I wrote and come out with this. And by the way are you saying that you hate the only QB that has led us to the playoffs since we came back? Couch, did help so please don't miss the entire point again.

@dj_illness said:

i like kelly holcomb sexually. she's a chick right?

@mario said:

This team did not suck because of Anderson. This team sucked because we had 17 sacks total for the season.

Derek Anderson had the most successful season for a QB in almost 20 years.

Braylon Edwards had the most successful season for a Browns WR in Team History!

Our Defense the last two years... finished in the bottom of the NFL in overall defense.

Break out of the bubbles kids! Quinn is going to throw 40TDs, have 19 sacks, and a handful of INTs!

Yea because the fans should definitely effect the players to the point that we make them all pussies.

By saying DA had the most successful season in 20 years, you're showing where your bias is. Kelly Holcumb had a more successful season than DA. I don't care about Pro-Bowls, especially concerning a QB, I care about the post season. How can it rightfully be called a successful season when you don't even make the playoffs. Something to build off of perhaps, but he didn't build off of it last season.

And the thing that really annoys me concerning this argument is that you can't be in favor of BQ without being a homo, or a Brady lady of whatever. The fact is that my decision on DA has nothing to do with BQ. It is simply that I do not believe that DA will ever be consistent enough to lead the team through the playoffs. If we didn't have BQ on this team I would be advocating either drafting or finding a QB in FA.

@vaportrail said:

Anderson had like 300 yds and 2 td's in the NYG game <<< DA's best game (maybe or Cincy 1)

But, Adam, I see you still haven't pulled the stick out of your ass. Why doncha work on that?

Quinn had two days of preperation for his best day. DA had what two weeks to prepare for the Giants game. Or a week for the Cinci game.