<![CDATA[A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards.]]>Dear fellow Browns Fans,

HUH???

I know, I know. The guy had a beyond-shitty season in '08. He dropped everything in sight. But you'd be hard-pressed to find more than five NFL receivers with more sheer talent. He, like many other top-notch receivers, is a diva. When things go bad, he goes bad. When things go well, he goes well. Just look at a guy like Randy Moss. Terrell Owens. Brandon Marshall. Roy Williams. Steve Smith. All bitch when they're losing. All shut up when they're winning. All very good to great receivers. Unfortunately, Braylon isn't Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. He has an attitude. But shipping him isn't the answer, because we aren't likely to get anyone near his caliber, talent-wise, in return or through a draft pick. Guys this talented are rare. So unless ARI or HOU come calling, we shouldn't answer the phone.

Perhaps now we can start trying to win.

Love,

Mike

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/3355/a-note-to-those-who-want-to-dump-braylon-edwards.RSS for NodeFri, 02 Oct 2026 09:04:14 GMTSat, 28 Feb 2009 22:44:27 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:37:52 GMT]]>I just don't see the "super star" talent that some are talking about in here. I see a cry baby. Last year he couldn't catch the ball. I say dump him for what we can get. His speed is questionable. His hands are not good, at least not last year. He has an extreme attitude. Fook him.]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47734https://brownsboard.com/post/47734Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:37:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:33:06 GMT]]>

@vegasdogg said:

Hey I am not saying Brady needed a Moss. Brady is a freak, in the Top 5 of all time, so using him as an example of why WE don't need a #1 is apples and oranges.

Currently we do not have a consistent offensive system to rely upon. Not saying we need to keep Braylon just so we have a #1 stud, I am saying we need a #1 stud with NFL experience. BE had a bad year last season, no question. And with his contract up, maybe we should trade him. But without a replacement of equal talent - and he does have awesome talent - I cannot see moving him.

Remember also, those Patriot defenses helped make up for early mistakes Brady made in his career, something we don't have.

I won't disagree that it's a bit of comparing apples to oranges. You are right.

But as much as Brady has won, his numbers before 2007 were not staggering. He got sacked on an average of around 28 times a year. He'd throw 12 to 14 INT's a year and until 2007 he never threw as many TD's in a season as Derek Anderson did in one season (29)

He'll go down as one of the greats because he won a lot. He won a lot because of NE's defense and ability to run the ball as well as Brady's arm. I don't think it would be too much to expect BQ complete 60% of his passes and to throw 24 TD's to 12 INT's. 24 TD's is 1.5 a game. That is a reasonable expectation for Quinn. These numbers are very Tom Brady like before his freakish year of 2007. The Pats won championships with the former numbers.

If you keep Edwards you better plan on franchising him the next year. If you don't, he walks and you get nothing for him.

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oldcow1945 said:

Really? What great WR's did Tom Brady throw to for all of the Patriot championship teams?

David Patten? Torrence Small? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Kevin Kasper? David Givens?

Shep is exactly right!!!

Hey I am not saying Brady needed a Moss. Brady is a freak, in the Top 5 of all time, so using him as an example of why WE don't need a #1 is apples and oranges.

Currently we do not have a consistent offensive system to rely upon. Not saying we need to keep Braylon just so we have a #1 stud, I am saying we need a #1 stud with NFL experience. BE had a bad year last season, no question. And with his contract up, maybe we should trade him. But without a replacement of equal talent - and he does have awesome talent - I cannot see moving him.

Remember also, those Patriot defenses helped make up for early mistakes Brady made in his career, something we don't have.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47656https://brownsboard.com/post/47656Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:42:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:17:06 GMT]]>I just want to reiterate....

😒

the reason to dump BE has nothing to do with talent or dropped passes . It has to do to the fact he'll be a free agent next year. He doesn't want to be a Brown and wants the Fack out of OHIO. It is about getting something Now, while we can get something for him, otherwise he'll be gone next year without anything more than a compensatory pick in last part of third round! I personally think we can do way better than that and would try to get him to the eagles or Giants as soon as I could for a late first rounder if possible or somewhere in the NFC. He will not be a Brown after next year!

That is why I want him gone!

sincerely,

Jim

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@mr.-t said:

mz the pussy loves Braylon's hands 😆

That's actually one of your better football takes.

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@diehardbrownsfan said:

Braylon is not as great as mz the pussy makes him out to be. He has an extreme attitude. He belongs in a tinsel town atmosphere (i.e. = not Cleveland). Ship him to NY, Miami or PHI.

mz the pussy loves Braylon's hands 😆

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47544https://brownsboard.com/post/47544Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:17:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:10:08 GMT]]>Every time I see someone rip the ball to Edwards I hear that Necessary Roughness voice in the back of my head "Don't throw it to Stonehands!"

That being said right now, unfortunately, he's our target nearing capable.

JJ is done.

Stallworth pulls his vagina 15 out of 16 games a year.

Rucker is unproven.

Steptoe is a #4 at best.

Hubbard needs to show something near consistency to be a #3.

Sad thing is, with Cribbs never seeing the field those guys are the cream of our crop.

I always thought Cribbs would be a better back than receiver and is wasting away at the wideout spot.

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Aloysius said:

If that's your point, doesn't it speak more to the greatness of Tom Brady than what we should do to insure our young QB succeeds?

If we make personnel moves based on the assumption that we already have a Tom Brady, we won't do enough to make sure BQ has anywhere near that kind of success.

It may speak to his greatness to a point but at the same time Brady has very normal stats when it comes to the amount of times he gets sacked in a year, or the amount of TD's to INT's he throws in a year, or his rushing yards. Those stats of Tom's are very average. Until 2007, Brady had never thrown as many TD's as Derek Anderson in one year. (29)

But he still won and was recognized as one of the great players. Not because of his great arm or elusivenss or the great WR's he was throwing to. He was great because he completed over 60% of his passes and the Pats were great as a team. They played great defense and ran the ball well and were good enough in the passing game.

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oldcow1945 said:

But your post misses the entire point. Whether or not Brady and the Pats had a year for the record books in 2007, it has no bearing on my point. The point is Tom brady was going to go down as one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL before Randy Moss....And Tom brady won numerous Championships and MVP's with, yes, very average WR's.

We are talking great Qb's and Championships here......And my point is still the same and just as valid.

If that's your point, doesn't it speak more to the greatness of Tom Brady than what we should do to insure our young QB succeeds?

If we make personnel moves based on the assumption that we already have a Tom Brady, we won't do enough to make sure BQ has anywhere near that kind of success.

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Aloysius said:

And notice how Brady's quarterback rating went up 30 points when he got to throw to Moss and Welker.

Branch and Givens are/were pretty good receivers, btw. The Pats were able to get a 1st Round pick in exchange for Branch, and Givens ended up signing a big FA contract. Were it not for a terrible knee injury, Givens might have developed into a great #2 receiver.

Yep....And how did that trade go for the Seahawks? Wait....Branch was never the same. It was Tom Brady that made him a good WR.

David Givens was pretty good? This 7th round pick caught 2, 3, 6 and 1 TD in his four seasons with the Pats. Tw0 seasons of over 50 catches. Let's have a comparison...Braylon Edwards caught 55 pases and 3 TD's this year. That was an Average year for Givens....For two years anyways. He didn't do anything but for those two years. I'd barely call him average.

Let's take a closer look at David Patten to prove this point even further...In his 12 season career he has had 4 moderately successful seasons. Guess who 3 of those 4 successful seasons were with? The Pats.

But your post misses the entire point. Whether or not Brady and the Pats had a year for the record books in 2007, it has no bearing on my point. The point is Tom brady was going to go down as one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL before Randy Moss....And Tom brady won numerous Championships and MVP's with, yes, very average WR's.

We are talking great Qb's and Championships here......And my point is still the same and just as valid.

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@shepwrite said:

On the other hand, Calvin Johnson is the most talented WR in the history of hands... and he went 0-16. That was his effect on the bottom line given a shaky QB situation.

Dude had 78 catches, 1,331 yards, and 12 TD's last year.

Instead of saying, "He's nothing without a good QB," you should be saying, "With a good quarterback, he could be one of the best ever."

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oldcow1945 said:

Really? What great WR's did Tom Brady throw to for all of the Patriot championship teams?

David Patten? Torrence Small? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Kevin Kasper? David Givens?

And notice how Brady's quarterback rating went up 30 points when he got to throw to Moss and Welker.

Branch and Givens are/were pretty good receivers, btw. The Pats were able to get a 1st Round pick in exchange for Branch, and Givens ended up signing a big FA contract. Were it not for a terrible knee injury, Givens might have developed into a great #2 receiver.

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@hammertime said:

i'm all for washing our hands of as many players from last years shitfest as possible.

Get what we can, while we can

i just wanted to say it again 🙄

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@vegasdogg said:

Shep come on, not "it is all about the QB" again.

Look when the QB is good, the better WR's make it happen. Good QB play does not mean mediocre WR's get you to the Super Bowl. You need a very good WR on one side to tilt coverage.

I dont care who is playing QB, you need a good WR like BE.

Really? What great WR's did Tom Brady throw to for all of the Patriot championship teams?

David Patten? Torrence Small? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Kevin Kasper? David Givens?

Shep is exactly right!!!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47516https://brownsboard.com/post/47516Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:40:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:22:31 GMT]]>Bill Belichick and others have proved that you don't need a star or stud WR to win championships. It's a big plus to have a dominant WR. But it's not what wins championship games.

I want a good offensive line and a stud defense....(Steeler's defense anyone?)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47513https://brownsboard.com/post/47513Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:22:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:21:34 GMT]]>i'm all for washing our hands of as many players from last years shitfest as possible.

Get what we can, while we can

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@solon16 said:

Don't be hating...I'm right that he is the best QB in this draft....we'll wait and see 3 years from now...anyway...BE will not accept an offer from us...he will be gone...probably to a very large market where he can get endorsements and start his acting career... 😆

also don't be too surprised if NE takes freeman at 23 😉

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@greythan said:

We're not New England; it won't work.

SO true.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47505https://brownsboard.com/post/47505Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:39:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:17:03 GMT]]>I personally think you don't ever draft a receiver in the top 10 due to the fact there are so many good quality receivers around. I think the position is overrated when it comes to how important it is to have top tier talent. Give me a killer running game and I'll take a couple quality receivers any day over the divas in the league.

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mz. said:

Thank you for your response, Jim, and that scares me a little, too. But if we offered him a lucrative extension, I'm sure he'd take it faster than you can say 'Josh Freeman.' 😉

Don't be hating...I'm right that he is the best QB in this draft....we'll wait and see 3 years from now...anyway...BE will not accept an offer from us...he will be gone...probably to a very large market where he can get endorsements and start his acting career... 😆

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/47492https://brownsboard.com/post/47492Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:07:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A note to those who want to dump Braylon Edwards. on Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:06:14 GMT]]>Shep, et al,

Just posted this in another thread, but before we casually impode our entire receiving corps, we might want to look at the four starting WR's from this past SB as a proof statement of their importance:

Fitzgerald

Boldin

Ward

Holmes (lowest rep on this list, but played inspired ball that Sunday)

I shudder to think of starting this next season with a brand new corps of starting WR's/TE's. We're not New England; it won't work.

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@mario said:

mz the pussy I agree with you.

Edwards suffered early from an ankle injury. Any of you couch potatos ever tried to do anything w/ a lacerated ankle?

While playing gimp on the ankle he got a shoulder injury. He dropped some balls early on, then later in the season he just didn't give a fook. Edwards is 100% correct on him being from Michigan leading to criticism.

The guy has more talent then just about every WR in the league, except the elite 3. He will not be traded. He will have another performance like 2007, which by the way, is the most successful season for a WR in Cleveland Browns History.

Fine then he leaves cleveland and we don't get SQUAT! Stupid! Find a guy that wants to be here.

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mz. said:

If you can prove to me how a guy with less talent makes more catches, let me in on the secret.

No secret really

Just look at the receivers that didn't drop as many balls wait thats everyone 🥷

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@shepwrite said:

I'm not sure I buy the "Number One Receiver" concept. Brady never has a problem with two good receivers and neither does Phil Rivers. Harrison goes down in Indy and someone else steps up. Favre has thrown to some insane number of receivers and not all of them were awesome... especially when they left.

You examples are Brady, Manning, Favre, and the guy who had a great year last season. Manning went from one #1 to another, Brady and Favre are freaks, and Rivers had an exceltional season.

You need a good #1. Doesn't have to be Edwards, but without Edwards we don't scare anyone. We, the Browns, need him or a just as good replacement. Coles isn't it.

Using Manning, Favre and Brady as examples of guys who didn't need a number 1 - and you're wrong about Manning, by the way - is not a convincing argument that teams do without. Some - very, very few - can do it.

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