One comment and now we've completely gotten off track...

That "good with facts and data and shit" wasn't meant to make me seem like hot shit. I know I am just starting off as an engineer. I know I'm still learning a lot from other engineers, but at the same time I know I can more than hold my own. Whatever anecdotal evidence you have, congrats. I've worked with contract engineers that have been pretty terrible too. I've also worked with a lot of very smart engineers.

Forget that comment then. Back to the ACTUAL POINT...

... present actual "facts and data and shit" when you want to refute something I said. Provide a reference. Link to a chart. Something. Don't just say "Well son, back in my day I was naive too. Now I understand" and then act like you proved anything. THAT is what I was telling you to do. The engineer comment was just me saying, in yes, probably somewhat of a snarky way, "try me, I'll follow the facts/reasoning."

It really had nothing to do with being an engineer. Though that seemed to have struck a nerve with you.

But like I said, on the actual point, saying "I'm older so there" does NOTHING to support a viewpoint. Present hard evidence, facts, etc to actually make a point. Fair enough?

I wish I had a dollar for every time some snarky hot shot engineer with a helluva lot more experience than you, said something to the effect of "it works on paper" on a job site with serious problems because of them thinking they were good with "facts and data and shit" ... And they weren't as hot shit as they thought they were..

I wish I had a dollar for every engineer friend of mine that over the last 40 yrs that was unexpectedly let go from a firm that they thought they were hot shit at, because they were good at facts, data and shit.. Or so they thought...

And on both counts, these fellers that were good at facts, data and shit,,,,,, never saw it coming.

I've known more engineers than I can remember. I probably talk to 3-4 county and state engineers a week The only consistent I can point to is that with age, and experience, they seem to come to an understanding that they aren't infallible... And the "good at facts,data and shit attitude dissipates..

Son, you're an engineer.. Get off your high Horse.. If you REALLY want to know how the world works, open your own business.

@westside-steve said:

I just think for most of us as we look back on the things we took so seriously when we were in our early twenties it really is an epiphany. of course back then we were dead certain that we were the smartest most perceptive most understanding most tolerant most forward thinking human beings that ever walked the planet.

I know you understand that and will come to understand it better as years go by.

WSS

I don't think I'm any of those things. The smartest person I know is currently at Harvard Law anyway.

All I'm saying, is that if I'm so obviously incorrect and naive, it should be easy to prove outside of "You're young and don't get it".

Try me. I'm an engineer. I'm good with facts and data and shit.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

But we do know more. We used to say that also, back at ya.

Then type up a post that includes facts, reason, data, etc to prove a point.

Don't rely on "I'm older so there".

Is that really too much to ask?

WSS

@mld-woody said:

But we do know more. We used to say that also, back at ya.

I know you understand that and will come to understand it better as years go by.

WSS

Stuart said:

Lol.. of course you are woody, and so was Axe with himself. Miss the point much?

Will I grow up and become "wiser"? Sure. Will I have wished I did some things differently? Probably.

Not sure how that validates any kind of "I'm older than you, you're wrong" mentality.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Present factual evidence to show me that. Don't just way "So young. Thinks he knows everything. Back in my day...." and then act like that proves anything.

@mld-woody said:

I'm sorry you were embarrassed by your younger self. I'm quite happy with myself right now though.

Lol.. of course you are woody, and so was Axe with himself. Miss the point much?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

At 22 the brain isn't quite fully developed yet.

Ageist

@axe said:

Well, the first idea you probably need to entertain young man is the fact that maybe,,,, just maybe,, you don't know everything..

Having watched and read your responses to a myriad of different subject matters here, I find that outlook to be a virtual impossibility for you to entertain.

I was you,,, probably 40 yrs ago.. I am embarrassed to say that.. I'm certain if you live this long, you will be too...

I'm sorry you were embarrassed by your younger self. I'm quite happy with myself right now though.

Maybe it shouldn't be you place to claim you're right based only on your age? Maybe your life experiences and beliefs can't be used to define everyone else? If you disagree with me on topics, maybe attempt to counter the points being made, not just write me off for being younger.

@axe said:

At 22 the brain isn't quite fully developed yet.

I know quite of a few of them actually. They're pretty much harmless but kind of seem a little off.

@mld-woody said:

Well, the first idea you probably need to entertain young man is the fact that maybe,,,, just maybe,, you don't know everything..

Having watched and read your responses to a myriad of different subject matters here, I find that outlook to be a virtual impossibility for you to entertain.

I was you,,, probably 40 yrs ago.. I am embarrassed to say that.. I'm certain if you live this long, you will be too...

WSS

@logicisforsquares said:

Joseph Smith was a known conman and look how many people got suckered into that.

Charles Taze Russell.

@logicisforsquares said:

So was Jonestown. I'm talking about Christianity as a whole. Not a offshoot religion started by some lunatic.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I watched it. Its about a crazy guy who made up the whole thing to make money. How you can equate this to other religions is beyond me.

Joseph Smith was a known conman and look how many people got suckered into that.

@mld-woody said:

I watched it. Its about a crazy guy who made up the whole thing to make money. How you can equate this to other religions is beyond me.

@mld-woody said:

I'm going to have some great " god epiphany"... Huh. I look forward to it.

But didn't you already have your god epiphany back in 2008 when your god was elected prez of the USA? Seems all the other liberals did.