<![CDATA[According to these people you don't own anything you buy.]]>https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/gm-ford-others-want-working-own-car-illegal-160000229.html

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/36835/according-to-these-people-you-don-t-own-anything-you-buy.RSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 02:04:19 GMTThu, 23 Apr 2015 17:01:32 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:32:59 GMT]]>I just don't see why American car companies are doing this. There's such a vast rich history of building and tuning American cars. Chevy makes a ton of money selling just their engines to these people, why would you torpedo a cash flow? It makes no sense

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/500139https://brownsboard.com/post/500139Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:32:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:14:58 GMT]]>The problem is once this happens, as the article suggests, industries from all over the electronics market will follow their lead.

I don't see a liability issue as being the purpose of trying to create this legislation. If someone alters the programming of the car, thats on the person doing the altering, not the dealership or the manufacturer.

If I have a pool built and decide to fill it with battery acid, thats on me if somebody dies in it. If I send you an email with a virus in it, it's not Dell's fault. This is obvious stuff.

Its more than likely (at least in part) what Steve suggested. They want that service money and more. And thats a complete manipulation of the market and the system.

I think it goes farther than that though. I think this is more about the customization part. In other words, if you want to go faster buy a vette, if you want better gas mileage buy a volt, if you want more power buy the John Deere 9000, etc., rather than reprogramming whatever you have to do it. This has nothing to do with pirating music from a tractor or your vehicle losing functionality and killing a bus full of nuns. The liability arguement is a joke.

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@gftchris said:

Interesting that Tesla's not on the list, and they're probably the most high-tech cars of them all - they've made all the software and hardware in the cars open source, hoping that other people will build on the systems they've created. Seems preferable.

Oh and Cal - I completely agree.

!!!!!!!!

How long until someone hacks tesla?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499925https://brownsboard.com/post/499925Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:54:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:59:49 GMT]]>Well a dealership has a lot of overhead and really needs the money that comes in from service. also automobiles are getting better and better and need less and less service.

WSS

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499912https://brownsboard.com/post/499912Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:59:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:25:46 GMT]]>Interesting that Tesla's not on the list, and they're probably the most high-tech cars of them all - they've made all the software and hardware in the cars open source, hoping that other people will build on the systems they've created. Seems preferable.

Oh and Cal - I completely agree.

!!!!!!!!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499907https://brownsboard.com/post/499907Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:25:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:45:59 GMT]]>carmakers might be more squeamish with possible liability against hackers?

I mean with ABS systems that are not run with an encrypted / secure type of software - there is possibility that tampering that can be done.

( see conspiracy http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/08/three-weeks-later-details-about-reporter-michael-hastings-death-in-fiery-car-crash-remain-a-mystery/)

And like Hastings fateful accident - Add to it a hack to its throttle and you get.... well

It wouldnt surprise me at all that they (carmakers) will switch to more propriety driven decisions on systems run by a computer, which is just about everything electrical now.

And with it - no access to reprogram or "flash" a PCM / ABS module without spending BIG $$ to service them....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499867https://brownsboard.com/post/499867Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:45:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:09:44 GMT]]>

@clevfan4life said:

you know what, I hope this does happen...so that enough people get infuriated over it and start demanding simple cars again that go real fast but don't need a cray super computer in em to stay on the road. Srsly fuck this. I can't wait to have a bike again and work on it but my condo complex doesn't have available garages and i'm not keeping a 20k bike outside all year in NE OH.

Yeah but if they started making simple cars again you'll get your panties in a bunch over the increase in Co2 emissions.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499858https://brownsboard.com/post/499858Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:09:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Fri, 24 Apr 2015 01:38:21 GMT]]>I wonder if Intel will follow suit and use that DRM whatever ruling to try to get rid of system builders like I've been hearing rumors of now for awhile. Get ready for the era of the market dictating demand to the consumer on a level never seen. It'll make everything those Rooskie commies ever said about us look like comically vast understatements.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499847https://brownsboard.com/post/499847Fri, 24 Apr 2015 01:38:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:00:18 GMT]]>GM - government motors. and now, JOHN DEERE? The only way I accept that, is if I get a free,

permanent, for the life of the vehicle guarantee and free service ON-SITE, and they pay me for time

lost while it has been needing repaired, and as long as they are servicing it.

IOW's, they can go sit on a cactus. Carmakers have been making cars so you can't work much on em anyways.

I really wish somebody would make a 1966 Chevy Belaire with a 250 six in it replica. I'd buy one in a NY second.

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Latest products from John Deere are not owned by the buyer when sold, they are only licensed with a restricted license that does not allow some kinds of fixes to be done by the licensee.[16]
]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499792https://brownsboard.com/post/499792Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:00:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 20:45:25 GMT]]>

@browns149 said:

Didn't they already go bankrupt?

yeah but next time they won't get bailed.

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@clevfan4life said:

yeah Detroit needs to understand what they're getting into there, it would bankrupt them.

Didn't they already go bankrupt?

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@sadbrownsfan said:

Very interesting, though it would put the car companies on the hook financially to fix anything that goes wrong.

No, it will just make you use an authorized dealer to fix it for 'safety of the pubic' concerns.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499773https://brownsboard.com/post/499773Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:37:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:17:19 GMT]]>

@sadbrownsfan said:

Very interesting, though it would put the car companies on the hook financially to fix anything that goes wrong.

yeah Detroit needs to understand what they're getting into there, it would bankrupt them.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499770https://brownsboard.com/post/499770Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:17:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:16:30 GMT]]>you know what, I hope this does happen...so that enough people get infuriated over it and start demanding simple cars again that go real fast but don't need a cray super computer in em to stay on the road. Srsly fuck this. I can't wait to have a bike again and work on it but my condo complex doesn't have available garages and i'm not keeping a 20k bike outside all year in NE OH.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499769https://brownsboard.com/post/499769Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:16:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:11:34 GMT]]>

@logicisforsquares said:

This will kill non-dealership mechanic shops.

I am sure they can be "certified" for a price......

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499768https://brownsboard.com/post/499768Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:11:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:01:40 GMT]]>This will kill non-dealership mechanic shops.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499760https://brownsboard.com/post/499760Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:01:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:57:42 GMT]]>Very interesting, though it would put the car companies on the hook financially to fix anything that goes wrong.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/499757https://brownsboard.com/post/499757Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:57:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to According to these people you don't own anything you buy. on Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:03:52 GMT]]>Aaah big corporations and the mafia government that protects them.

Carefully positioning themselves behind you so they can jam that big red white and blue dick up your ass on a daily basis.

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