Pro style reduced uncertainty to be sure, thus my "head" comment.

@wargograw said:

Andrew Luck 2.0. This is getting absurd.

Not that I agree with the comparison, but it's not the first time I have seen it. Physically they are very similar. Head and "fire" are where my questions lie.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Its just historical perspective. Certainly it has no effect on the specific player....but historically/statistically it IS apparent that #2 has a much lower success average than #1

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

ok...fair enough. My memory could be clouded on that....and Ill agree they were in the discussion as top prospects well before the combine....but lets agree that they went to new heights once they ran a 40 and did some drills at the combine.....

Clowney went from a good 1st round prospect to "the best prospect everrrrrrrr"(according to some)......and RGIII did kind of the same thing......going from possible first rounder to "trade our whole draft to get him" type of guy......

@mudfly said:

I agree.....Mariota has been on the horizon for a while now....and RGIII exploded outta nowhere after the combine....(kinda like Clowney and Russell did in preceding years).....

RG3 won the Heisman and was a consensus top-3 pick throughout most of his final season at Baylor. Definitely did not "explode outta nowhere".

Clowney was being talked about as a first overall pick a full season before he even declared for the draft. I think you're misremembering some things.

@thenew23 said:

I agree.....Mariota has been on the horizon for a while now....and RGIII exploded outta nowhere after the combine....(kinda like Clowney and Russell did in preceding years).....

@westside-steve said:

Yeah so why is he rated below crablegs in nearly every outlet?

WSS

Id say crablegs has been on the horizon the whole time too......not a recent climb at all....so, why not rate him tops?

Like Johnny, he won the Heisman as a Freshman(cept he won the championship too) and he's been a top prospect ever since....

so, they both seem to have the college pedigree you'd hope for... and they're not hyped just because of a single season or some combine numbers....

@thenew23 said:

RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

Yeah so why is he rated below crablegs in nearly every outlet?

WSS

@miktoxic said:

Mariota will at least try to be great- instead of doing SubWay commercials.

@tour2ma said:

Picks for "certain" QBs are not traded.

Exactly.Titans praying for a sucker move on Draft Day.

@masterdog said:

"Risky QB"

Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

What is there NOT to like?

Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

Plenty not to like. A lousy performance against an NFL caliber OSU defense in the title game. A gimmick offense that NFL teams don't use. Accuracy issues.

Um- it's risk VS reward. the Titans taking MM @ #2 is way less of a risk that the Browns betting the ranch on a weak hand. If this year was last year- with the Browns sitting at #4 overall- sure, the move up a couple of spots to take MM is way less of a risk- and I'd approve of the move. FYI- most sell the ranch to move up trades turn out very badly.

@masterdog said:

"Risky QB"

Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

What is there NOT to like?

Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

Andrew Luck 2.0. This is getting absurd.

Mario Edwards is a DE.....Id say 2nd round potential and a very solid pick for the 3rd.....

I'd rather get Shelton here and Collins at 19
19. Malcom Brown

Although, I think Brown is excellent, and wouldn't gripe. Don't know if he is a 3-4 NT, though.
43. Devin Smith

A great value pick but who knows how terrific he'll be in a pro offense.
77. Mario Edwards

The DT? nah. More like a 5th round pick that might not make it in the pros.
111 Jeff Heuerman

You betcha
115. Max Garcia, C

I kinda like this this pick. Not my favorite - kinda stump footed for the pros, special teams?
147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

McKinney may very well go in the first round, or top of second. Invalid.
189 Nate Orchard, OLB

Orchard may very well go in the late first round, or top half of second. Invalid.
202 Evan Spencer, WR

I'd love for Spencer to fall this far, but I think he goes long before this.
229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

Brindza is just okay - I really would want the top kicker Manton. Manton is excellent

and wouln't need to be coached up so much, and could easily start.

19. Malcom Brown

43. Devin Smith

77. Mario Edwards

111 Jeff Heuerman

115. Max Garcia, C

147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

189 Nate Orchard, OLB

202 Evan Spencer, WR

229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

@axe said:

Chip Kelley is still on line 1 for you..

With that said, i'm on board with trading up to grab Marriota.

@masterdog said:

I know, they are all risky....but I think in more recent years if you are taken #1 overall.....the QB has less of a chance to be a bust.

Here I have divided the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick into 3 categories: Busts, So So or Incomplete, Successes:

Busts:

Angelo Bertelli

Boley Dancewiscz

Harry Gilmer

Bobby Garrett

George Shaw

King Hill

Randy Duncan

Terry Baker

Jamarcus Russell

Note here that there was not a true pure bust of a QB with #1 between 1962 and 2007.

So So/Incomplete:

Billy Wade (won title with Bears)

Jack Concannon

Steve Bartkowski

Jeff George

Tim Couch

David Carr

Alex Smith

Matt Stafford

Sam Bradford

Successes:

Roman Gabriel

Joe Namath

Terry Bradshaw

Jim Plunkett

John Elway

Vinny Testaverde (by virtue of total career numbers)

Troy Aikman

Drew Bledsoe

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick (has had very productive career)

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning

Cam Newton

Andrew Luck (not too premature for these last two)

Scouting apparently vastly improved sometime in the mid 60s. Except for Billy Wade...who was OK to good....every #1 overall pick before Roman Gabriel was a complete bust. After Gabriel, only Jamarcus Russell can be called a complete bust.

Since then you have about a 2/3rd chance that a #1 overall will turn out successful and about a 95% chance of being somewhat viable.....and maybe a couple of those incompletes can rise up: Bradford/Stafford/even Smith?

#2 overalls are still 50/50 to be busts.

Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

What is there NOT to like?

Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.