@jafbf said:

The double insurance comes in that he can fill either position (C or T) if one goes due to Contract.

I thought you were high on Erving when it came up some weeks back?

First, please forget my double insurance jab. It was around one player filling two spots. In other words, it was just some lame bitching.

Yes, I was high on the tape I finally found on Cam at Center. His OT tape on the other hand was average at best. He really had trouble in space. So I see him as only solving one problem. I heard no one saying he ranked with the top OTs in this draft... two of whom are moving inside as well. There are OTs still on the board that I rated higher.

I think he could develop into being a very good Center... probably OG as well, but he is raw and I do not see him beating out any of our interior starters immediately. And that makes him a very pricey back up in the short term.

Longer term is he a starter for whomever has moved on to another team? Possibly... but that's TBD. Others think it is more certain or that he's "plug'n'play"? Fine...

Bottom line there are simply other inside picks I see that are both cheaper and I think are more certain starters down the road... and one is named Ali...

I thought you were high on Erving when it came up some weeks back?

The more I think about it, the more I'm liking it - we've got five OL picked in the 1st/2nd, we should be pretty good here for some time.

@tour2ma said:

Daddy was here to tell all the good boys and girls the Gmen weren't the problem. If Shelton cleared Chi Town it was a done deal.

I was keyed up going into it and nervous about Shelton falling to us, but once he did then the lack of trading in general and my personal let down at #19 took over.

Not sure how one player can provide double insurance.

Somewhat, but several Analysts are calling the Browns Draft solid and smart - not sure when the last time I heard that about a Browns 1st Round Draft.

Another aspect to consider :

They didn’t overthink it. Farmer and his staff agreed that Erving was a high-impact player, one of the top offensive players on their board. Next year, the Browns could lose right tackle Mitchell Schwartz to free agency and center Alex Mack to a contract opt-out. Erving is insurance.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/13445/browns-didnt-overthink-it-cam-erving-selection-shows-progress

I had overlooked the Schwartz Contract expiration, so this pick is a double Insurance Policy.

Not sure what tonight holds, we still have some D holes to fill, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a WR or QB (3rd) taken.

Wife's been getting up at 3am the past two weeks for Training - it's really screwed up my sleep.

Sleep's screwed up so bad that I didn't even realize til this morning that Cameron Erving was the OL that I mentioned in the Draft/Notes thread we were targeting because of his position versatility.

Still a little fuzzy (another 3am'er), but I do believe DT Shelton was a consensus favorite a couple months back.

So, taking all this into consideration it appears we did pretty well in 1st Round for a change.

@vagitron said:

He's from Kentucky Dude......now if this was basketball, well OK. But Kentucky for football?

@tour2ma said:

The Steelers have drafted LBs in the first round now 3 years in a row.

@gumby73 said:

My biggest Question of the night::: Was There a Trade Down Offer even to consider at 19???

My guess is no... nothing worthwhile was offered, but I suspect Denver called to feel out our interest in Shane Ray.

@thenew23 said:

Ive liked him all along too.....mostly due to his versatility and athletic ability for a big man....not an OL rater myself, but felt he was at least described as exactly what the Browns needed and wanted.....

Versatility to play multiple positions....the athletic ability to play zone......interior ability.....and with a good head and high character

@tiamat63 said:

7PM tonight.

I was just watching some of Shelton's highlights and one of the things that I really liked was how he moved horizontally to stay in the play. Reminded me of how Rubin was always able to get left and right towards the play a few years back when he was still a young buck.

@tour2ma said:

Yes, Erving was my favorite because of his pure athleticism and ability to pick-up o-line positions very quickly and play them both at a very high level. He is certainly best-used as a C, and may replace Mack if we can't keep him, but he looks to have the ability to develop into whatever we need along the line...

Also, don't forget Mitch is on the last year of HIS contract as well...

@tour2ma said:

Are we saying Jarvis Jones is a hit? Jury is definitely still out.

@tour2ma said:

Harrison will scare him to death...

And you are way overdue for another 1st-round miss.

I guess we will find out. The steelers were talking about trading up to get him.

And you are way overdue for another 1st-round miss.

@tour2ma said:

Translation: Video is the closest to my opinion that I have found.

5 minutes in I thought the vid was about Quinn... and before I got all gushy about Quinn's technique, I'd find a play where the OT doesn't catch a cleat and end up feet together and off-balance before the DE lays a hand on him.

@vagitron said:

The most honest and accurate breakdown I've seen of Dupree.

Translation: Video is the closest to my opinion that I have found.

5 minutes in I thought the vid was about Quinn... and before I got all gushy about Quinn's technique, I'd find a play where the OT doesn't catch a cleat and end up feet together and off-balance before the DE lays a hand on him.

@tiamat63 said:

Bengals took Cedric, Ravens Perrimen and Steelers Dupree. If I'm right in how I feel about all of those picks, the Browns just got better while each of those teams might not have improved with their picks.

Ogbuehi likely does not contribute a thing in 2015. He's athletic, and could develop, but I do not see him as a LT. He really struggled there at TAMU.

Perrimen? Dunno certainly seems addresses a need on paper.... whether it translates???

Dupree was a riser whose rise I did not get. Was not surprised to see him fall. I was surprised the Steelers caught him. I agree... straight speed guy without the agility to match it. I liked him as a 2/3 round cusp prospect, where he started, but not as the late first he ended up being. Was surprised he did not lift at his pro day.

@tiamat63 said:

Wondering that myself but I don't think he's complaining now. Interesting because the Pats have done Dline back to back 1st round picks.

Well... he lost millions falling 20 spots, and Bill will wear his ass out using him, so I think he may complain later.