@miktoxic said:

i gotta a cold 6 that says even if they go 3 and 13 pettine is NOT gone after the year.

that's easy money in my eyes.

too many doubters and criers on this board.

Don't think so either...unless Gruden comes calling.

@miktoxic said:

yep, I agree....he's not going anywhere anytime soon......

And I have a cold 6 that says there is no way we go only 3-13.......just aint gonna happen.....

that's easy money in my eyes.

too many doubters and criers on this board.

@gumby73 said:

With Textgate that Leash should be tight. Can't Act Dumb and Don't Know in that Position. Yes he can find talent, But now it's time to Win more Games with it. My hope 8-8 but with more Division Wins I love 10-6.. QB play will be a Big Key..

Farmer's job isn't to win games, that's what got him in trouble to begin with.

@walterwhite said:

I'm liking the Bearcat love.

Gunner is really good. He throws a nice deep ball and can thread the needle when he has to. I remember watching his first game of the year and thinking, "wow, so that's why he was a former #1 HS recruit."This kind of got him into trouble later in the season when he started making more risky throws. He also had quite a few injuries last year, but he also played through a lot of them. I believe he had some broken ribs for a majority of the season.

Fortunately for Cincy, the entire contributing offense returns this year. The defense will be garbage, but I could see us putting up 35-40+ points per game easy if we operate anything like last season.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

With Textgate that Leash should be tight. Can't Act Dumb and Don't Know in that Position. Yes he can find talent, But now it's time to Win more Games with it. My hope 8-8 but with more Division Wins I love 10-6.. QB play will be a Big Key..

@darren15 said:

F-U Walter. This is the same Bozo who said, and I quote "Three first round picks, and a second was the correct price to pay for RG III" You may now eat s**t Walter.

@roycerolls said:

Does this mouth breathing mongoloid seriously think this is the worst Browns team since 2000 (the last time the Browns selected #1 overall)?

I don't see any way in hell the Browns are only going to win 2-3 games this year. The D will be far, far too good.

He has an absolute rocket and he's really accurate, also makes great reads.

He ripped Ohio State apart for a good part of that game

@wargograw said:

Why? That's a 0-3 win season.

Pettine would likely be gone before Farmer. Farmer is probably given somewhat of a leash because his drafting and FA pickups have been both fiscally and physically solid.

@texasag1969 said:

Conner Cook? Really? compare those stats with these.

Cook

58 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,214 yards with 24 touchdowns and eight interceptions

59 percent of his passes2013 for 2,755 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions

Manziel

69 percent of his passes in 2013 for 4,114 yds with 37 TDs and 13 ints

68 percent of his passes in 2012 for 3,706 yds with 26 TDs and 9 ints

Add in another total of 2100+ yards running for 30 more TD's to JM's stats there.

Cook is also 6'4", 220 lb. and, at the time of being drafted, will have had a wealth of experience in a Pro-style offense.

Couple that with his nearly immaculate intangibles and you can see why he's not only favored by most over Manziel, but every QB in his draft class as well.

If Cook continues his progression, he could be a very, very good NFL QB. If Cook plateaus this season, I'd say he's still at least a serviceable starter/absolutely exceptional backup.

I'm very intrigued by Cook at this point in time. To compare him to this year's class, he's basically a taller, slightly more athletic Garrett Grayson who's played against stiffer competition. Considering as my only knocks against Grayson were his athleticism and his competition, you can see why I, at least, seem to like Cook.

Mike

'on paper' we're better than last year (mccown/hoyer debate withstanding).

no injuries, everything ticking i can see us having the same or better record than last year which would make a lot of people sit up and recognize.

so we pick a QB in the 2nd next year........won't be the end of the world, lol.

i say haslam knows that this is a tough biz and to find good people who have produced in the 2 years under his employ will not mean to all-of-a-sudden throw that all away cuz with a harder schedule we only win 5 games.

@wargograw said:

and you would be wrong sir.

@miktoxic said:

i don't think farmer would want the number one and try to trade back. is conner cook or cardale jones going to be worth a #1 overall?? i really doubt it. and even though i'm the biggest 'draft defense' guy there is, i think with all the additions the FO made to the Dline in the draft it'd be tough to go back to that trough with our first pick next year (and i'm willing to bet that we don't pick number 1). no, even if mccown works out it will depend on manziel. if he doesn't progress in all facets of his game i think farmer will think long and hard about the 'franchise' qb pick.

if all works out this year as expected i see the browns drafting offensive weapons next year.

Highly doubt Farmer is there if we're picking 1.

@mudfly said:

any relation to walterwhite football?

@cambridgeho said:

i don't think farmer would want the number one and try to trade back. is conner cook or cardale jones going to be worth a #1 overall?? i really doubt it. and even though i'm the biggest 'draft defense' guy there is, i think with all the additions the FO made to the Dline in the draft it'd be tough to go back to that trough with our first pick next year (and i'm willing to bet that we don't pick number 1). no, even if mccown works out it will depend on manziel. if he doesn't progress in all facets of his game i think farmer will think long and hard about the 'franchise' qb pick.

if all works out this year as expected i see the browns drafting offensive weapons next year.

I'm hoping that's a moot point though when Manziel tears up this league-right, anyone?...