@mld-woody said:

That is true about Hirsch. He was sort of the Russell Wilson of his day. Two different schools are give credit for sending him to the pros.

@the-gipper said:

QB: 1st - Tom Brady (2000-Present)

2nd - Jim Harbaugh (1987-2000)

3rd - Brian Griese (1998-2008)

Honorable Mention: Benny Friedman (1927-1934) - Learned today he helped revolutionize football and was considered one of the first great passers.

Actually, Friedman should probably be second. He is in the Hall of Fame....and won NFL titles. Harbaugh and Griese hold neither distinction. But Friedman played long long ago, so people don't remember. (plus, he is like you Woody....born/aised in Cleveland)

WR: 1st - Anthony Carter (1985-1995)

2nd - Amani Toomer (1996-2008)

3rd - Derrick Alexander (1994-2002)

4th - Braylon Edwards (2005-2012)

5th - Jason Avant (2006-2014)

6th - Mario Manningham (2008-Present)

Honorable Mention: Elroy Hirsch (1946-1957)

And again....Hirsch perhaps should be #1....as he too is in the PFHOF...where the others didn't come close (only if you include Anthony Carter's USFL years does he match up)

Again...an issue of him playing long ago.

I see you made similar choices....leaving out the proven player.....Hall of Fame players...simply because they played long ago. OK, your choice....even if they are flawed

I told you already, I weighted my choices some based on when they played. Also, Hirsch transferred to Michigan after some time at Wisconsin. But hey, they were honorable mentions

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_17-10-2013-10-55-42

Zombo said:

I think he did about as good with what he had to work with. Choosing Hirsch would have helped him.

(but, I guess that thing that Z is saying between the lines is: except at QB...compare the OSU vs. Mich. offensive skill players....OSU comes pretty far out ahead.....but....Quarterbacks matter.....now more than in Benny Friedman's day likely....so it hard to get around Brady....but then almos NONE of the other schools that ever played football have produced a QB as good as him. Arguable about Northwestern, Notre Dame, Tennessee or Louisville...but that's about it.)

2nd - Jim Harbaugh (1987-2000)

3rd - Brian Griese (1998-2008)

Honorable Mention: Benny Friedman (1927-1934) - Learned today he helped revolutionize football and was considered one of the first great passers.

Actually, Friedman should probably be second. He is in the Hall of Fame....and won NFL titles. Harbaugh and Griese hold neither distinction. But Friedman played long long ago, so people don't remember. (plus, he is like you Woody....born/aised in Cleveland)

WR: 1st - Anthony Carter (1985-1995)

2nd - Amani Toomer (1996-2008)

3rd - Derrick Alexander (1994-2002)

4th - Braylon Edwards (2005-2012)

5th - Jason Avant (2006-2014)

6th - Mario Manningham (2008-Present)

Honorable Mention: Elroy Hirsch (1946-1957)

And again....Hirsch perhaps should be #1....as he too is in the PFHOF...where the others didn't come close (only if you include Anthony Carter's USFL years does he match up)

Again...an issue of him playing long ago.

I see you made similar choices....leaving out the proven player.....Hall of Fame players...simply because they played long ago. OK, your choice....even if they are flawed

Zombo said:

A little disappointed in your offensive weapons for a team of your historical stature.

Zombo

There really isn't all "all star" WR in the group, but we could run 5 wide sets up and down the field.

The OL would be great. Hopefully elite enough to get the average HBs going.

It would really be all on Brady.

@mld-woody said:

A little disappointed in your offensive weapons for a team of your historical stature.

Zombo

Michigan's All-NFL Roster:

(I didn't include players that transferred an played a good amount of time at another college. Also, I tried to stay away from going back too many years)

NFL Hall of Fame

Offense:

QB: 1st - Tom Brady (2000-Present)

2nd - Jim Harbaugh (1987-2000)

3rd - Brian Griese (1998-2008)

Honorable Mention: Benny Friedman (1927-1934) - Learned today he helped revolutionize football and was considered one of the first great passers.

HB: 1st - Ron Johnson (1969-1975)

2nd - Tyrone Wheatley (1995-2004)

3rd - Leroy Hoard (1990-1999)

4th - Anthony Thomas (2001-2007)

OW: 1st - Denard Robinson (2013-Present)

FB: 1st - BJ Askew (2003-2009)

TE: 1st - Ron Kramer (1957-1967)

2nd - Tony McGee (1993-2003)

3rd - Jay Riemersma (1997-2004)

WR: 1st - Anthony Carter (1985-1995)

2nd - Amani Toomer (1996-2008)

3rd - Derrick Alexander (1994-2002)

4th - Braylon Edwards (2005-2012)

5th - Jason Avant (2006-2014)

6th - Mario Manningham (2008-Present)

Honorable Mention: Elroy Hirsch (1946-1957)

LT: 1st - Mike Kenn (1978-1994)

2nd - Jon Runyan (1996-2009)

3rd - Jake Long (2008-Present)

LG: 1st - Steve Hutchinson (2001-2012)

2nd - Jonathan Goodwin (2002-Present)

1st - John Morrow (1956-1966)

2nd - David Baas (2005-2013)

3rd - David Molk (2012-Present)

RG: 1st - Tom Mack (1966-1978)

2nd - Reggie McKenzie (1972-1984)

RT: 1st - Dan Dierdorf (1971-1983)

2nd - Jeff Backus (2001-2012)

3rd - Jon Jansen (1999-2009)

Defense:

LE: 1st - James Hall (2000-2011)

2nd - Brandon Graham (2010-Present)

Honorable Mention: Len Ford (1948-1958)

DT: 1st - Tom Keating (1964-1975)

2nd - Alan Branch (2007-Present)

RE: 1st - Curtis Greer (1980-1987)

2nd - Dave Gallagher (1974-1979)

Honorable Mention: Bill Hewitt (1932-1943) - I learned today he refused to wear a helmet, and was the last NFL player to not wear one.

LOLB: 1st - John Anderson (1978-1989)

2nd - Cato June (2003-2009)

Honorable Mention: Roger Zatkoff (1953-1958)

MLB: 1st - David Harris (2007-Present)

2nd - Larry Foote (2002-2014)

3rd - Frank Nunley (1967-1976) - Fudge Hammer is maybe the best nickname I have ever heard

4th - Dhani Jones (2001-2010)

ROLB: 1st - LaMarr Woodley (2007-Present)

2nd - Mel Owens (1967-1976)

3rd - Ian Gold (2000-2007)

CB: 1st - Charles Woodson (1998-Present)

2nd - Ty Law (1995-2009)

3rd - Dave Brown (1975-1989)

4th - Leon Hall (2007-Present)

5th - Marlin Jackson (2005-2010)

FS: 1st - Dwight Hicks (1979-1986)

2nd - Rich Volk (1967-1978)

SS: 1st - Randy Logan (1973-1983)

2nd - Keith Bostic (1983-1990)

Special Teams:

K: 1st - Jay Feely (2001-Present)

P: 1st - Don Bracket (1985-1993)

KR/PR: 1st - Desmond Howard (1992-2002)

2nd - Steve Breaston (2007-2012)

Head Coach: George Allen or Jim Harbaugh

Owner: Ralph Wilson Jr

@furious-styles said:

OK, but would either John Brockington or Matt Snell be considered Fullbacks? Brockington has a slightly higher CA than Pete. Snell not far behind.

@the-gipper said:

I guess we are going to pile them all into one thread...so be it. Here is the All Ohio State Pro team. Though I am not an alum, I have certainly followed them all my life and know them as well as anyone:

QB Mike Tomsczak

RB Eddie George

WR Paul Warfield

WR Chris Carter

TE Ricky Dudley (kind of a "Dud" position for the Buckeyes)

OSPWC: Tom Matte (played RB and QB at times)

OT: Orlando Pace

OT: Jim Tyrer

OG William Roberts

OG Doug Van Horn

OC Nick Mangold

DBs: Dick LeBeau, Jack Tatum, Antoine Winfield, Sean Springs

DEs: Jim Marshall, Will Smith

DTs: Bill Willis, Ryan Pickett

LBs: Randy Gradishar, Chris Spielman, Pepper Johnson, Stan White

P: Tom Tupa

K: Lou Groza

KR: Ted Ginn

Second Team:

QB Kent Graham

RB Robert Smith

WR Joey Galloway

WR Dante Lavelli

TE John Frank

OSWC Keith Byars

OT Dick Shafrath

OT Jim Lachey

OG Rob Sims

OG Tim Vogler

OC Kirk Lowdermilk

DBs: Nate Clements, Chris Gamble, Tim Fox, Donte Whitner

DTs Dan Wilkinson, Alonzo Spellman

DEs: Keith Ferguson, Cameron Heyward

LBs: Jim Houston, Bob Brudzinski, Mike Vrabel, AJ Hawk

K: Tim Nugent

P: Tom Skladany

KR: Neil Colzie

Italics: HOF

FB Pete Johnson

@thenew23 said:

Yea, pretty darn good. But would not perhaps Carson Palmer get the nod as best QB that school has produced? I am obviously a Bill Nelsen guy....but Palmer may have had the more productive career.

@the-gipper said:

That is another Greg Lloyd right? Not the former Steeler LB?

It's actually Greg Lloyd, Jr. - the son of former Steeler LB Greg Lloyd.

@the-gipper said:

My number relates "Pro Bowl seasons" by players from that school, not individual players. And while Pitt has produced as many players as some schools, they have produced some of the most productive,

Like Marino, Dorsett, Curtis Martin, Doleman, Rickey Jackson, Darrelle Revis going strong, Stepnoski, Fralic, Grimm, Covert, Ditka...and even the jealous bastard Mark May.

Yep. Plus Fitzgerald.

QB - Bill Nelsen (1 X Pro Bowler), barely beats out Pat Haden b/c of longer career and better QB Rating

RB - Marcus Allen (HOF)

RB - OJ Simpson (HOF)

WR - Keyshawn Johnson (3X Pro bowler, 10,500 career receiving yards)

WR - Lynn Swann (HOF)

OFS - Frank Gifford (HOF)

TE - Morris (Red) Badgro (HOF)

OL - Bruce Matthews (HOF)

OL - Anthony Munoz (HOF)

OL - Ron Mix (HOF)

OL - Ron Yary (HOF)

OL - Ryan Kalil (4X Pro Bowler, and counting)

DL - Darrell Russell (2X Pro Bowler)

DL - Mike Patterson

DL - Willie McGinest (2X Pro Bowler)

LB - Junior Seau (HOF)

LB - Clay Matthews (4X Pro Bowler, HOF semi-finalist)

LB - Rod Martin (2X Pro Bowler)

LB - Chip Banks (4X Pro Bowler)

DB - Ronnie Lott (HOF)

DB - Willie Wood (HOF)

DB - Tim McDonald (6X Pro Bowler)

DB - Dennis Smith (6X Pro Bowler)

DB - Troy Polamalu (8X Pro Bowler)

DB - Joey Browner (6X Pro Bowler)

@wargograw said:

My number relates "Pro Bowl seasons" by players from that school, not individual players. And while Pitt has produced as many players as some schools, they have produced some of the most productive,

Like Marino, Dorsett, Curtis Martin, Doleman, Rickey Jackson, Darrelle Revis going strong, Stepnoski, Fralic, Grimm, Covert, Ditka...and even the jealous bastard Mark May.

@thenew23 said:

My other alma mater is Cleveland St.......and no football program.

If I used my kids schools....well...Kenyon had all of 2 players ever play i the NFL....but Trinity did have 2 players make a Pro Bowl (and a 1st round pick of the Cleveland Browns).

And my sons other school....the best players to come out of there were a kicker, Pete Gogolak,and Ed Marinaro....who may be better known as an actor on Hill Street Blues.

@taco918 said:

I would say, yes about half bad. In terms of producing the most quality NFL players, they are far down the list. In fact, here are the Top 25 schools in terms of producing Pro Bowl seasons from their players:

1. USC

2. Notre Dame

3. Miami

4. Ohio St.

5. Tennessee

6. Pitt

7. Michigan St

8. Michigan

9. Penn St.

10. Texas

11. Georgia

12. Purdue

13. Arizona St.

14. UCLA

15. LSU

16. Alabama

17. Syracuse

18. Texas A&M

19. Cal

20. Nebraska

21. Iowa

22. Minnesota

23. Florida St.

24. Oklahoma

25. Oregon

OK St. is #43...just 2 notches above Northwestern

(and....oh, yeah....the reigning NCAA Wrestling National Champions: The Ohio State University)

@wargograw said:

On the Miami vs. Ohio St. DB issue, since the 1970 draft Ohio St. has had the following DBs make at least 1 Pro Bowl:

Jack Tatum

Tim Fox

Todd Bell

Shaun Gayle

Shawn Springs

Antoine Winfield

Nate Clements

Donte Whitner

Miami has has the following make a Pro Bowl:

Fred Marion

Bennie Blades

Ryan McNeil

Tremain Mack

Ed Reed

Sean Taylor

Antrelle Rolle

Brandon Meriweather

Compare: in the same 45 years, Alabama has had one single DB make a Pro Bowl: Roman Harper.

USC has had 5: Dennis Smith, Ronnie Lott, Joey Browner, Mark Carrier, Polamalu

Florida: 2: Lito Sheppard and Joe Haden

FSU: JT Thomas, Deion Sanders, Leroy Butler, Samari Roll, Chris Hope, Antonio Cromartie.

Michigan: Thom Darden, Dave Brown, Keith Bostic, Ty Law, Charles Woodson

QB - Ron Jaworski

QB - Cliff Stoudt (Started 1 year for Pit, 9-6 record in 1983, 8-year career)

WR - Bobby Jones (6 career TDs in 6-year career with Jets and Browns)

WR - Donald Jones (3-year career in Buffalo, made 10 starts in 2012)

TE - Craig Cotton (6-year career in early 70s)

G - Lamar Mady (current backup G for the Raiders)

K - Jeff Wilkins (14-year career, including one Pro Bowl)

LB - Tim Johnson (played 6 years in the early 00s, had 0.5 sacks)

CB - Brandian Ross (current backup SS for the Raiders, started 10 games in 2014)

@the-gipper said:

They have had good RBs, true. Not much else. Those two are the only 2 OK St. players in the HOF.

Edit: I will take that back. OK St. has produced some very good defensive linemen: Kevin Williams, Jamal Williams, Leslie O'Neal and Jerry Sherk. None HOF at this point though K. Williams may have an outside shot. O'Neal was borderline.

Not half bad for an overshadowed wrestling school.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot about Josh Fields. He was a hell of a QB but ended up playing baseball. He would've been good.

@wargograw said:

Yes, the premise is which guys at each position from your school had the best Pro career....not college.

It would be foolish of me to wax poetic about the Pro careers of Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith....but one did win a national championship and the other a Heisman.....but not so fast my friend on their pro career.

(and the opposite is true....shit...take Tom Brady. He had to fend off Champ Henson to start for Michigan......but one of the greatest pro QBs ever.)

@taco918 said:

They have had good RBs, true. Not much else. Those two are the only 2 OK St. players in the HOF.

Edit: I will take that back. OK St. has produced some very good defensive linemen: Kevin Williams, Jamal Williams, Leslie O'Neal and Jerry Sherk. None HOF at this point though K. Williams may have an outside shot. O'Neal was borderline.

@mudfly said:

Ironically, just read an article at NFL . com about who the real DBU is.....here's a link.....GREAT article!!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000494312/article/which-school-is-db-u-ohio-state-miami-lead-top-contenders

Nice.