@legacy-fan said:

Is it? I've always read that we wouldn't make any of the other hormones without growth hormone first. It's not a "direct" precursor to the other hormones..well except for IGF. But without GH none of the other systems that made the other hormones would function properly. This has always been my understanding and I've done a lot of reading on this throughout the years. In my 20's I took synthetic GH and IGF so I made sure I knew what I was taking. After a major health scare I stopped all willful intake of anything synthetic including vitamins. Any synthetic substances in my body are there from the environment, can't be helped. But I try to minimize it as best I can.

@clevfan4life said:

I've never heard that, ever. Growth Hormone is the master hormone, without it we make nothing.

@legacy-fan said:

I've never heard that, ever. Growth Hormone is the master hormone, without it we make nothing. I can see synthetic GH as having deleterious effects in abundance. But the body left to it's own devices will never make more or less than it needs. Fasting isn't going to make you Andre the Giant and enlarge your heart.

@clevfan4life said:

I don't want to flame you dude so I'm saying this respectfully ok? But you're completely wrong on the smoking of muscle mass. There's plenty of studies out there on fasted individuals. They did one on Muslim rugby players who still excercised during Ramadan fasts. It took 3 or 4 days to impact muscle mass. The body releases massive amts of growth hormone to preserve muscle mass.

That's how humans used to survive, they wouldn't eat big cooked meals for days...just survive on water and some berries shit like that and then go out hunting every few days.

I was referring to the weeklong several week kind. (Google anorexia as an example of the extreme)

Also growth hormone is categorized as a stress hormone. Like cortisol and the catecholamines. Extended, excessive release of these always have deleterious effects.

@mld-woody said:

No idea how reputable, but here's one I found with 10 seconds of googling...

http://esciencecentral.org/ebooks/effects-of-ramadan-fasting/pdf/ramadan-fasting-sport-performance.pdf

@legacy-fan said:

I don't want to flame you dude so I'm saying this respectfully ok? But you're completely wrong on the smoking of muscle mass. There's plenty of studies out there on fasted individuals. They did one on Muslim rugby players who still excercised during Ramadan fasts. It took 3 or 4 days to impact muscle mass. The body releases massive amts of growth hormone to preserve muscle mass.

That's how humans used to survive, they wouldn't eat big cooked meals for days...just survive on water and some berries shit like that and then go out hunting every few days.

@westside-steve said:

I could possibly benefit from it. hey legacy fan what's your opinion?

WSS

In your mouth, lack of salivary production (induced by sight, smell, & tasting food) will lead to overgrowth of bacteria. Depending on which bacteria decides to take over, you can end up with rampant decay or gum disease/bone loss.

@clevfan4life said:

You have no excuses for your lapses grammar

Umm..say again?

Time you give it a rest dude, its gotta be discouraging always having to pull your foot out of your mouth.

Stuart said:

yeah but my excuse is typing on a gut damn cell phone. You have no excuses for your lapses grammar, punctuation and commonly decent sentence structure.

@clevfan4life said:

There's not much I don't at least a good amt about.

Your inability to construct a coherent sentence says otherwise.

Stuart said:

There's not much I don't at least a good amt about. You should really listen to me more your life would change drastically for the better. So like a wise man once said.....

@mld-woody said:

I'm not suggesting I have the utter highest metabolism, i'm no olympic athlete training 8 hours a day. But I do have a job where i'm on my feet most of the day and then I go wkt on pretty much an empty stomach except for coffee and the little bit of ghee butter I put in it. I do also mix some spirulina into some low sugar juice or water...so i am getting some nutrients in my system before I go hit the gym. But no solid cooked food at all. I this on heavy days as well and on crossfit days. Now I have fasted for 4 days before on just water and some juice but I wasn't working out during that time. Actually having a higher metabolism would probably benefit you in fasting because you'd be into the growth hormone production faster than someone with a slow metabolism.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I was an expert beer faster when I was in my early 20s.

WSS

@mld-woody said:

I imagine that is all relative to the individuals metabolism.

My metabolism is fast as fuck. Between that an being active I can pretty much down anything. I would think fasting any extended period would only hurt me.

I could possibly benefit from it. hey legacy fan what's your opinion?

WSS

My metabolism is fast as fuck. Between that an being active I can pretty much down anything. I would think fasting any extended period would only hurt me.

@clevfan4life said:

Lot's of reasons. Didn't Jesus fast for 30 days in any case? Would fasting 30 minutes kill you? lol

In any case, treat yourself to a solid and look up the benefits of fasting...especially growth hormone release. After 12 hours of not eating anything your body starts to make more growth hormone than even the most ardent roid monster could hope to inject. Infact if you injected that much synthetic growth hormone in the presence of excess calories, you'd be dead in a few weeks. That's why the body only produces this amt of GH during fasting, because in a caloric surplus "everything" grows, including cancer cells. In a caloric deficit, only the masters blueprint is serviced...everything else the body kills. Including cancer cells.

Fasting just one day a week would probably keep most of you cancer free, depending though on what you did the other days. One day of fasting isn't going to help a 2 pack a day smoker for example.

Good post Cleve. From now on you should stick to topics you know something about.

@westside-steve said:

Why in the world would someone want to fast for 2 weeks on just water?

WSS

Lot's of reasons. Didn't Jesus fast for 30 days in any case? Would fasting 30 minutes kill you? lol

In any case, treat yourself to a solid and look up the benefits of fasting...especially growth hormone release. After 12 hours of not eating anything your body starts to make more growth hormone than even the most ardent roid monster could hope to inject. Infact if you injected that much synthetic growth hormone in the presence of excess calories, you'd be dead in a few weeks. That's why the body only produces this amt of GH during fasting, because in a caloric surplus "everything" grows, including cancer cells. In a caloric deficit, only the masters blueprint is serviced...everything else the body kills. Including cancer cells.

Fasting just one day a week would probably keep most of you cancer free, depending though on what you did the other days. One day of fasting isn't going to help a 2 pack a day smoker for example.

@clevfan4life said:

man what food has done to our society. People literally think they're dying if they ain't eaten in 4 hours. I can drink water and some veggie juice for 4 days and be pretty much fine, 4th day is weird though for sure. But I know people who've fasted for 2 weeks on just water. But this water hog can't go without the last rib?

( anyway I could understand it if it were ribs from Big John's Alabama BBQ in Tampa Florida )

WSS