Moore, the dumb one.

But between Michael Moore and Cleve, which one most resembles

Jabba the Hut?

Stuart said:

Probably uglier and fatter.

Anyone else?

@clevfan4life said:

you really make almost infantile arguments. You can be against a womans choice to do with her body what she pleases, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But to compare the act of getting an abortion with an inanimate object such as a firearm is literally child like. This has no bearing on the firearms debate pro or con...but just comparing the two is the type of analogy that "most" of our parents talked us out of when we were very young. Did your parents skip the apples to oranges lesson?

How about this analogy? Do you like this analogy Cleve?

Well, its really not what you would call an analogy, but still.

@clevfan4life said:

The left are disingenuous about abortion like in many other issues. It wasn't that long ago the liberal slogan was making abortions safe, legal and rare which has devolved into abortion for any reason at any time of development of the baby inside the womb.

And it is not just conservative Christians who are pro life but atheists, gays, and others from all walks of life.

@pumpkin-eater said:

Well ya, if you call it "murdering children" then I can see how you'd think that. But unfortunately for you, just calling an act something doesn't make it true...

I dont undersfand how choosing to end your child's life by having an abortion is any better than someone CHOOSING to end a life by pulling the trigger on a gun.

I'm a conservative/independent real American, unlike all the sheephumpers that got a win today from the Supremely deficient side of the court. you expect me to complain about what I agree with?

Are your brains scrambled?

Durrrr, what were we talking about? where's my beer? MOOOOMMMMMM

"I'm Cleve, I'm stupid, so all I have is bitching, and trying to engage

anybody in a gay name calling contest"

@calfoxwc said:

Yet the only people you ever talk about are liberals...more infantile debating from you. You specifically said liberals in your post....and every other post you ever make here. It's always "liberalism vs conservatism"...always. Your world exists in black and white you Charlie Chaplan mother fucker....lmao

You are going off the deep end trying to hide your ignorance.

You are starting to be a lot like worthless woodpecker.

Invent points never brought up, smart off, name call, make asinine

assumptions and call it some kind of sick victory of debate.

Not winning, you are.

@calfoxwc said:

They aren't "callous" about abortion. That's were infants like you miss the boat, completely. You've bought into the right wingnut narrative that anybody that's "pro choice" is someone who gleefully wishes all pregnancies end in abortion. And that's because you're an idiot who for the life of him simply cannot understand a viewpoint or opinion other than his own. This right here is why you're a simpleton. Right here. Study it, acceptance is the 1st step in any 12 step program.

And it's not just liberals who are pro choice FYI.

You really love your feet in your mouth.

And I SAID "unborn and born".

PBA, all sorts of stuff you can't discuss because

you just aren't understanding much.

If liberals value human life, and we all are sad at the tragic murders at Sandy Hook and anywhere else.....

why is it that they are so callous about born and unborn children's lives?

Do you know what I refer to as "born" ???

@calfoxwc said:

you really make almost infantile arguments. You can be against a womans choice to do with her body what she pleases, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But to compare the act of getting an abortion with an inanimate object such as a firearm is literally child like. This has no bearing on the firearms debate pro or con...but just comparing the two is the type of analogy that "most" of our parents talked us out of when we were very young. Did your parents skip the apples to oranges lesson?

caused by nutjobs, because those lost lives were priceless...

but they are happy to keep their abortion, murdering all those born and unborn children?

Abortion has only one purpose, the murdering of innocents.

Guns are made to shoot at targets, game, and violent attackers and home invaders.

Abortion is murder. Convenience is the key? They WANT to murder children when THEY WANT TO.

But when some nutjob murders children, we have to make all Americans be forced into responsibility,

when they are already responsible.

Why aren't all the millions of born and unborn children also "Obamao's children" ?

@oldbrownsfan said:

I (pray) I come across as a rather reasonable and middle ground poster - and I don't have much interest in conspiracy theories. For those folks that do, sometimes its hard for them to accept that things can just 'be'.

That said, when it comes to Sandy Hook - I've ALWAYS felt something was well out of place there.

@westside-steve said:

The hypocrisy of some things is insane....cigarettes and alcohol are great examples of products pretty much guaranteed to kill you eventually....millions die yearly as a direct result of using them.....yet.....billions of tax dollars are spent fighting a war against weed(for example), which has killed no one(except for those who died in the "war" so to speak).....

Imagine if someone came out with a new product....any product.....that made you crash your car, then die of lung cancer.....HA!

And with the whole gun thing, no matter where you stand, the facts show where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. Makes sense. But the facts also show that where there are more guns, there are NOT necessarily more homicides. None the less, not sure how one regulates billions upon billions of guns that now reside in every nook and cranny here and everywhere else...

And Im far from a gun toting NRA "love my weapons" kinda guy, but I did grow up with guns and have always had guns....hell, even got my girl her own rifle at 12....and pretty much agree with the cliche that controlling guns will only regulate the law abiding citizens and truly change nothing crime or homicide wise....

@gftchris said:

Well with alcohol, same as with cars, with kitchen knives, baseball bats or whatever other tired analogy gets trotted out, the primary purpose is not the maiming and killing of others, unlike a gun.

The point is public safety above all or not.

And while we are bickering give me a list of things that alcohol is good for other than to fuck you up?

WSS

@mld-woody said:

Very true. In an ideal world, gun crime wouldn't be a thing, so gun rights wouldn't be a thing.

@westside-steve said:

Well with alcohol, same as with cars, with kitchen knives, baseball bats or whatever other tired analogy gets trotted out, the primary purpose is not the maiming and killing of others, unlike a gun.