@the-cysko-kid said:

God you can't help but be smarmy as hell can you?

@mld-woody said:

I agree though. Generalizing based on one data point is bad.

God you can't help but be smarmy as hell can you?

I agree though. Generalizing based on one data point is bad.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I love my guns and I wish the Gov't would use the death penalty faster and more often

but I also think abortion should be legal.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Any woman who wants to fuck but not have kids should have a hysterectomy. End of story.

So women do have a right to do what they want with their own bodies after all.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Any woman who wants to fuck but not have kids should have a hysterectomy. End of story.

Reasonable as always

@the-cysko-kid said:

I'm no longer following whatever point you think you're making. I've already been pretty clear on my stance. You're looking for some gotcha that doesn't exist.

If you're too lazy to take birth control or one of the very unlucky ones who ir fails and then too dumb to take plan B and you have to opt for the hardest, most invasive, time consuming and traumatizing form of birth control and then are too lazy again to get it done in six weeks fuck you. You deserve what you get. Give it up for adoption.

No gotchya. Not everything has to be a god damn gotchya...

I'm just trying to figure out why you're using the start of a heartbeat as your cutoff. It seems more of an emotional reason than medical.

You're free to have your opinion though. This is not necessarily objective. I can't tell you 6 weeks is definitely wrong.

@westside-steve said:

Any woman who wants to fuck but not have kids should have a hysterectomy. End of story.

the left a lot of votes...

Even at the deaths of born and unborn children. They just don't care.

If you're too lazy to take birth control or one of the very unlucky ones who ir fails and then too dumb to take plan B and you have to opt for the hardest, most invasive, time consuming and traumatizing form of birth control and then are too lazy again to get it done in six weeks fuck you. You deserve what you get. Give it up for adoption.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Technically its a human baby at conception but I'm trying to give irresponsible turds the maximum amount of leeway

Right, and why is that 6 weeks? Why is that a not fully developed heart beating?

@the-cysko-kid said:

That is the point at which it is a human baby no matter how small and not a clump of cells as you would like to think of it as

Why does a beating, not fully developed heart make it a "human baby"?

@the-cysko-kid said:

I tend to fall into the category that there is an empirical line that can be drawn where life exists and I personally would not want that life ended. That being said the human race is pretty much ok with killing everything in our path and some have empirically made the case that society is better off with the current laws as they are.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Why is that your cut off date? What makes this muscle starting to work so significant?

@the-cysko-kid said:

I don't identify with whatever liberal, socialist, hippy persona you and others on this board have seemed to construct in your minds. Or the idea that is being fed through conservative media outlets.

I would imagine there is a cross over between the pro choice, anti gun and anti death penalty crowd. I do not think you can paint a broad stroke and say everyone that is pro choice is anti death penalty and thinks we should ban all guns. While that fits tidily into whatever stereotypes some on here may have created, it doesn't always reflect reality.

I am pro choice up until a reasonable amount of time.

I am fine with the death penalty is cases where it is warranted, but at the same time it costs tax payers a lot of money

I don't think guns should be banned (and it is very unrealistic), but I am form some kind of gun control reform.

See how those all don't fit nicely into the "Those People" generalization?

@the-cysko-kid said:

With all of the people in the US, all of the times they have sex, and the failure rates of contraception (although very small), statistically, it is going to happen. Who are you to tell the woman she needs to go through 9 months of pregnancy and a birth?

Where do you draw the line? How far into the pregnancy? (I'm asking you. I want to know what your opinion is. It doesn't have to be absolutes, I'm just trying to get an idea of where you're coming from).

I believe we've had this same song and dance before. You did the "I'm a parent now and I know every child is precious" thing, and then I believe we found a common ground in there. No one (no one here at least) is advocating late term abortions. No one is trying to glorify the procedure or say they're "pro abortion".

@the-cysko-kid said:

I must have missed those people posting on this board.

Unless by "people" you are just talking in an "Evil liberals are out to get me" Cal sense.

@calfoxwc said:

still think it's a joke, jerks?

This lab is a depot for Family Planning Associates, Californias largest abortion mill chain. Every container holds a baby who was murdered by abortion. The size of the container is proportional to the age of the child. The larger containers hold 2nd trimester babies. Each of these children deserved to live.

The following pictures were taken 1/25/98 and 2/1/98 at:

One of the boxes fell out of the container, spilling its contents on the ground. I stared at a large object but couldnt tell what it was. I called my boss to come over and take a look. All of a sudden we realized with great horror that it was a decapitated body of a baby. Other workers started vomittig. ` Hank Stolk, employee of Martin Container Corporation, Los Angeles, Ca. USA 1982.

The fucked up weird almost funny thing is these are the same people that want guns banned cause , gee whiz, someone might get killed. And the death sentence for murderers is, like, totally inhumane man. But when it's the most innocent it's perfectly ok. A "choice" with no consequences.

@mld-woody said:

So a 19 year old has sex with her boyfriend. They use a form of contraception but it fails. She's a student working full time just to get by. She's "sick" for wanting an abortion?