@jafbf said:

Add that to his contract situation, and Mingo's emerging coverage skills and healed shoulder... Sheard was the odd-man out...

Not to go all Gipper on you, but I could only go off the PFF scores, where Von was better than all but two players, regardless of position, regardless of side of the ball. But I did get confused as Denver is (well, was) a 4-3 team, not 3-4. Von was out of position at 4-3 OLB but like you said, they did maximize his ability on passing downs.

@wargograw said:

Why was Sheard not regarded as a fit? I've seen this elsewhere too and was always curious. 6'3" 260, 4.7 kinda guy. Pretty good pass rusher. Is he too big for the 3-4 at OLB? Kruger is bigger than him. Von Miller is the best 3-4 OLB in the league and he is smaller than Sheard. So I assume it had something to do with his skill set, but what was it?

Sheard has a very still set of hips and lacks Krugers Ability To Be More Fluid In Space. He's also awful as a pass rusher Fron a 2point.

The best 34 9tech is Huston by far.

Von plays in a system that protects him and his lack of size on early down. It's more of a 43 over with the donkeys subbing out either end for Von on passing downs and essentially playing a 33.

@jafbf said:

The more I think about, the more I'm undecided on our D this year :

Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.

Shelton ?

Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?

We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.

Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.

I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.

Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?

Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.

If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something

Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.

Rubin, Skrine and Sheard??

Rubin is done and wouldn't make this team, Skrine was replaced by a better player (Williams) with a Top Ten pick in the wings, and Sheard just didnt fit the system, didnt make sense to pay him what he could make on the open market when you look at what his role with us would have been.

Z

doesn't have anything in it.

Too bad.Will all our draft picks get taken away on spaceships, and not come back

until the season is over?

Will a meteorite fall on the Browns' field at midnight sat, and the game is the next day,

and all our players will trip and fall over the debris?

With the depth and the talent, this team is excitingly on the rise. I don't care that the season

hasn't started and they haven't won eight games in ten, only won seven.

Whatever. Buck up, dammit. Questions should not lead to depression.

Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.

Shelton ?

Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?

We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.

Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.

I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.

Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?

Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.

If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something

Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.

@miktoxic said:

wrong!

we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.

hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!

Ok well then you and I are in agreement. But I was berated for suggesting as much on another thread.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

nah, don't hate him, just disappointed so far.

farmer's first draft and the guys in the later rounds out-performed the 2 first round picks in gilbert and manziel. just tired of wasted picks. the sit on the bench and learn bullshit is done and gone IMO in the nfl. what, we've had one qb in the past 10 years that has actually done that in rodgers? 2 years tops. show us what you got or get to steppin.

@wargograw said:

wrong!

we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.

hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!

@wargograw said:

I must be a really tough guy!

Nah... just a killjoy.

One person figured out how to both mature and retain an infectious personality while carving out a promising NFL career. That's the story here.

You should hope that your maligned, fellow former does half as well...

@wargograw said:

Sicko. LOL! I bet you like Rick Perry too.

@wargograw said:

ok. now you are anti o'neil because he gets support from fans who otherwise would criticize manziel for what you think is the same behavior? why are you so friggin defensive?

To put my understanding here in simple terms:

Fight starter-tough guy/welcomed

Fight winner-punk

@d-bone said:

Ha!....exactly......

@wargograw said:

Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........

@wargograw said:

well if you mean stop acting like an asshole and start acting like a choir boy when you are out and about and under a microscope....then yeah. learn the playbook and be a demon on the field. but above all: learn the playbook.

That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.