<![CDATA[Is this a good Omen?]]>If you read my Trivia thread you saw my question: Which two QBs hold the NFL record for lowest Interception percent in a qualifying season (qualifying consisting of 224 attempts). One was Damon Huard.......

....but the other was: Josh McCown.

Can this lack of turnover propensity by McCown be a good omen for the Browns?

This stat was done just two years ago...not early on in his career.

Here are his numbers with the Bears in 2013:

149/224 66.6 comp. pct

1829 yards

13 TDs 5.8 TD %

1 Int. 0.4%

109.0 QB rating

3-2 as a starter

His number last year with Tampa Bay clearly were not nearly as good:

1-10 as a starter

184/327 56.3% comp. pct

2206 yards

11 TDs 3.4% TD pct.

14 Ints. 4.3% intl pct

70.5 QB rating

So, which guy are we going to get? The record setter with the Bears....or the below average guy with the Bucs.

Perhaps what we think will be an awesome OL in front of him....and a very quality running game to go with him....will make him show to be more the 2013 guy than the 2014 guy.

At least this shows he is highly capable of taking care of ball security.

His overall career number Int. % wise are 3.5.....with a 3.7 TD pct.

2013 was clearly a good year for him.

Does this augur that he can duplicate that this year?

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@wargograw said:

Thought of that. But to believe that would be to concede that these guys are actually, to some degree, making decisions based on Johnny. And no one seems to believe that.

At the same price (for both McCown and Hoyer), who would you take?

I think they are making some decisions around developing a QB, whoever he might be. Hoyer wanted to be the locked-in starter for a full contract period, probably at least five years (purely speculation based off of what I've read). There wasn't interest in being a stop-gap.

McCown doesn't have the longevity to be a full-term starter. He has maybe three years left in the tank, total. Maybe two as a starter.

I think the FO looked at it as an opportunity to grow Johnny or, if he doesn't grow, get the next best guy in the draft.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517385https://brownsboard.com/post/517385Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:16:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:02:59 GMT]]>Regardless Hoyer is gone, we have McGown.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517315https://brownsboard.com/post/517315Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:02:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:01:23 GMT]]>Hoyer had lost serious zip on his passes. I don't know what was up with that,

but Bernie Kosar could have thrown better, stronger passes with his left arm.....

It was time. Hoyer wanted to go back near home anyways. He completed

less than 56 % of his passes, turned the ball over.....more ints than td's....

season rating was 31st in the NFL...Good luck to him.

But McCown still has the zip on the ball, and a lot more starting experience.

I believe he will surprise a lot of fans.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517314https://brownsboard.com/post/517314Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:01:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sun, 19 Jul 2015 04:34:22 GMT]]>But it was good enough when the middle of his OL wasn't Swiss cheese.

Furthermore, when talking known vs unknown, there's really no comparison between Mccown and Hoyer....

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@wargograw said:

At the same price (for both McCown and Hoyer), who would you take?

I myself take McCown, because I now know what Brian has to offer while under center for the Browns, and it wasn't good enough. I like Brian, but at this point I'll take the unknown hope vs the known failure (maybe a bit harsh, but it is what is it).

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@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Because he wasn't willing to be mentor for Johnny. It was either him or Johnny.

McCown will attempt to be as serviceable as Hoyer while also helping progress Johnny.

Thought of that. But to believe that would be to concede that these guys are actually, to some degree, making decisions based on Johnny. And no one seems to believe that.

At the same price (for both McCown and Hoyer), who would you take?

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@the-gipper said:

He wasn't cut. He left as a free agent. With the right deal the Browns very well may have kept him.

Really don't think with the right deal Hoyer would have stayed. Manziel pick(hometown mentor?). FO Felt Not the long term Guy (agree). I stick with Farmer and Haslem lost Hoyer when a good OL went Bad due to injury and a idiot named Shanny ,than They tossed Hoyer under a bus.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517283https://brownsboard.com/post/517283Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:36:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:01:15 GMT]]>Hoyer: In his Home State, was no way going to mentor any QB in his career at this point after sitting behind Brady and Weedon, why the hell should he? Manziel did himself in last season and Hoyer as a FA did the right thing for himself. Going into this season, QB is the question mark and Hoyer and Josh would look better than Josh, JM and Shaw but here we are. IMO I still hate the Manziel pick, but as a humbled Johnny I am interested to see him prove himself or not, like Gilbert. Either way as Hoyer found out, it's all about this OL staying healthy and we were ranked 13th with 31 sacks in 2014 and it still feels like half of those were at home with Cinny with Johnny holding the ball and a banged up OL that got beat up all day. 7 solid OL man at Jets and all in on Josh being the trusted starting QB. Go Browns!!

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@oldbrownsfan said:

One quality I liked about Hoyer was that he had an ability to lead the team back from a deficit. Hoyer also made a big impression on me when he started in the 2013 season after Weeden got hurt and the same offense which under Weeden was struggling suddenly looked good under Hoyer and the Browns reeled off 3 straight wins until Hoyer got injured and was out for the rest of the season and the team faltered after that and won only one more game the rest of the season.

I hated to see Hoyer let go but I see why the Browns did and brought in McCown. As much as I liked Hoyer I didn't see him as the long term answer. McCown is a bridge quarterback capable of being a game managing qb and will go out of his way to help develop Manziel.

Or the next kid in line of JMZ can't cut it.....which is clearly a 50/50 proposition right now.

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@wargograw said:

After having rewatched our first 5 games from last year (also known as "the healthy Alex Mack period"), I find it hard to believe McCown is going to be better than Hoyer was during that stretch. Yes he had some terrible throws, but he really did flash some brilliance. I kind of question why we cut him after watching these games, honestly.

He wasn't cut. He left as a free agent. With the right deal the Browns very well may have kept him.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517240https://brownsboard.com/post/517240Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:56:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:12:55 GMT]]>One quality I liked about Hoyer was that he had an ability to lead the team back from a deficit. Hoyer also made a big impression on me when he started in the 2013 season after Weeden got hurt and the same offense which under Weeden was struggling suddenly looked good under Hoyer and the Browns reeled off 3 straight wins until Hoyer got injured and was out for the rest of the season and the team faltered after that and won only one more game the rest of the season.

I hated to see Hoyer let go but I see why the Browns did and brought in McCown. As much as I liked Hoyer I didn't see him as the long term answer. McCown is a bridge quarterback capable of being a game managing qb and will go out of his way to help develop Manziel.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517225https://brownsboard.com/post/517225Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:12:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:43:42 GMT]]>Hoyer had a bad case of backup to starter disease. He had no room in his makeup to help a rookie take away his only opportunity. I can't really blame him.

The much older McCown is under no such illusion and welcomes the role asked of him as starter/mentor. Can't blame him either.

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@wargograw said:

After having rewatched our first 5 games from last year (also known as "the healthy Alex Mack period"), I find it hard to believe McCown is going to be better than Hoyer was during that stretch. Yes he had some terrible throws, but he really did flash some brilliance. I kind of question why we cut him after watching these games, honestly.

Because he wasn't willing to be mentor for Johnny. It was either him or Johnny.

McCown will attempt to be as serviceable as Hoyer while also helping progress Johnny.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517209https://brownsboard.com/post/517209Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:07:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:20:07 GMT]]>After having rewatched our first 5 games from last year (also known as "the healthy Alex Mack period"), I find it hard to believe McCown is going to be better than Hoyer was during that stretch. Yes he had some terrible throws, but he really did flash some brilliance. I kind of question why we cut him after watching these games, honestly.

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@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Probably the low-level, journeyman QB he's been for the entirety of his career.

The thing is, his 2014 season wasn't an anomaly. It wasn't even his worst season. He's had three meaningful seasons (>0 starts) in which he posted a worse QB rating.

The only anomaly of his career was his season in Chicago, where his QB rating was a full 35 points higher than his previous highest rating.

Excluding 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 (seasons with zero starts), McCown's had an average QB rating of 76.6 for his career. If we remove his 2013 season, that rating drops a full 5 points to a 71. If we remove his 2014 season, his rating jumps a half-point. Clearly, his biggest anomaly is what he was able to accomplish in Chicago.

Based on his body of work (removing non-quality seasons, dividing total production by number of games, then extrapolating over a 16-game season) McCown's average season should be somewhere around:

250 completions | 423 attempts | 59% | 2,829 yards | 15 TDs | 14 INTs | 77 rating

I wouldn't place any bets on his stats varying too drastically from that benchmark.

OK then, we shall see. We need to make sure to revisit this thread at the end of the season to see how accurate your prediction will become.

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@the-gipper said:

So, which guy are we going to get? The record setter with the Bears....or the below average guy with the Bucs.

Probably the low-level, journeyman QB he's been for the entirety of his career.

The thing is, his 2014 season wasn't an anomaly. It wasn't even his worst season. He's had three meaningful seasons (>0 starts) in which he posted a worse QB rating.

The only anomaly of his career was his season in Chicago, where his QB rating was a full 35 points higher than his previous highest rating.

Excluding 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 (seasons with zero starts), McCown's had an average QB rating of 76.6 for his career. If we remove his 2013 season, that rating drops a full 5 points to a 71. If we remove his 2014 season, his rating jumps a half-point. Clearly, his biggest anomaly is what he was able to accomplish in Chicago.

Based on his body of work (removing non-quality seasons, dividing total production by number of games, then extrapolating over a 16-game season) McCown's average season should be somewhere around:

250 completions | 423 attempts | 59% | 2,829 yards | 15 TDs | 14 INTs | 77 rating

I wouldn't place any bets on his stats varying too drastically from that benchmark.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/517155https://brownsboard.com/post/517155Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:07:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Is this a good Omen? on Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:06:05 GMT]]>Smart decisions, take care of the ball. Next to accuracy, that's the greatest hallmark of a solid QB. So long as McCown plays within himself at the offense, good things will happen.

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@the-gipper said:

Does this augur that he can duplicate that this year?

Sure hope so, why not?

I don't think anybody expects him to be Brady or Manning, but I'd settle for a Raiders' Gannon-ish season. I think we're going to be more of a running team, the test will be when he HAS to throw in a comeback situation.

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