I've spent several minutes trying to figure out what this means to no avail. If you make the bet online, you're still in Ohio. I think everyone is aware there are online sportsbooks.

@colormebrown said:

Well, if you say it, it must be true....

@colormebrown said:

The only things I know that are preformed are bras and garden ponds:

@mudfly said:

Yea, as now they are the boringest team in baseball.

@tour2ma said:

Yep.....tho I still forget and....almost....get flattened time and time again......

And gotta say that was a great point on the Tribe.....downtown was really hopping back then and all because of the tribe....and the fact that they play soooooo many games just brings people in all week long......

I say we trade the casino for a great team.....!!!

http://www.usaonlinesportsbooks.com/states/ohio.html

Sports betting is 100% LEGAL in the state of Ohio, so long as you don't do it here. And the state of Ohio doesn't mind if you bet online as long as the business is outside of its jurisdiction. Completely legit websites are out there which take bets, all pretty fair and nearly identical to vegas.

https://sports.bovada.lv/

I recommend this one, its the best one out there. But pretty much anywhere you go to bet will offer ludicrous betting odds for the Cleveland Browns. It's not that they're even bad, the division will just be very difficult to win this year and the Browns have the most question marks.

@mudfly said:

And....always.....look BOTH ways before crossing......

All the "Look Right" warnings painted on London's pavement do help...

@mudfly said:

I believe that.....but I also think Cleveland faded loooong before we had a casino....and the casino has not detracted, but actually added a great deal to the revitalization of downtown and the night life.... Id argue the casino cities you listed as depressed, aren't that way "because" of the casinos....but were already that way all on their own.....

The Casino may have added, but nowhere near the addition of a winning Indians team of the 90's filling the Jake for 455 consecutive games.

Between June 12, 1995 and April 4, 2001, the Indians sold out 455 consecutive home games, drawing a total of 19,324,248 fans to Jacobs Field. The demand for tickets was so great that all 81 home games were sold out before Opening Day on at least three separate occasions. The sellout streak set a Major League Baseball record; this was broken by the Boston Red Sox on September 8, 2008, though Boston's Fenway Park is considerably smaller than Progressive Field.[109] One night after the streak ended, the Indians honored the fans by retiring the number 455.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Casino's sure as hell didn't help Atlantic City. If you've ever been there you know what I mean. I think many of them have closed down now.

First example I thought of as well. Studies abound on the destruction the AC Boardwalk bought to a depressed community it was supposed to save.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

@wargograw said:

Actually, many think it has helped with the revitalization. A bit anyway. Certainly not the main factor. But it is better than sitting there as an empty former Department store.

@wargograw said:

@wargograw said:

Ok, fair enough. It can't help with the revitalization though. It provides a decent amount of low-skilled jobs. That's a good thing of course. But way too many folks in the city that don't make much money turn around and spend a good portion of what little they have at the casinos. Same reason the lottery is called a tax on those who can't do math. Poor people buy the lottery almost exclusively. I believe it's similar with gambling in some of these cities although I do realize the odds aren't as bad at a casino.

When did Cleveland add casinos?

we just added them a few years ago...not sure exactly.....

Im no gambler, so have never been there.....dont do the lotto either.....

Though, once while in St Louis, I walked into a riverboat casino and was inside having a drink and watching my buddies play cards....just chillin..... We had a very early meeting the next morning, so had plans to go back to our hotel by 10 to get some rest.......at some point I decided to step outside for some fresh air and.....kablammo!!.....we were NOT at the dock!!!....the stinking river boat was cruising down the river, so we could not get off.....went back in and asked and they said 3 hrs before we return...

Holy crap.....didnt know that they sailed!......was a very late night.....esp since I dont gamble.....

Fortunately we've made decent progress on them here where those places are now more inviting for non-addicts.

@mudfly said:

Casino's sure as hell didn't help Atlantic City. If you've ever been there you know what I mean. I think many of them have closed down now.

Cleveland right now is on the upswing. New hotels, convention center, bars, restraurants, etc. We only have on Casino and it is smack dab in the center of the downtown area. Right next to restaurants, bars, etc.

When did Cleveland add casinos?

@wargograw said:

I believe that.....but I also think Cleveland faded loooong before we had a casino....and the casino has not detracted, but actually added a great deal to the revitalization of downtown and the night life....

And, Id say, a lot of the places that have added casinos have done so because they are already down and are using the casino to attract tourists and generate economic activity....

So, Id agree with Gip that Ive never seen a city get dragged down by adding Casinos, but have seen them grow after adding them.....

and Id argue the casino cities you listed as depressed, aren't that way "because" of the casinos....but were already that way all on their own.....

Cleveland was not vibrant before the casino....New Orleans has been a hole forever......etc etc...

Of course the casinos themselves are nice. The rest of Shreveport is garbage. The South's been amazing to me, trust me.

@wargograw said:

Sorry, don't know what you think is vibrant. New Orleans is vibrant, Cleveland is vibrant.

Have you ever actually been to either.

I have been to Shreveport....and it is by no means trashy.

Maybe it is just the south in general that is not nice...to you.

Every city has its trashy parts. Most casinos I have seen have improved the appearance of a lot of towns.

@the-gipper said:

Nah. I don't know what community you are talking about. Here there are casinos in downtown Cleveland, which filled an empty department store that had been closed for years, and downtown Cleveland is doing just fine.

And in Northfield, a casino was essentially built in the parking lot of a racetrack....and the community was and is a nice commuter community.

And in North Randall. Trust me, that community was killed long before the casino got there. Again, it was placed inside a racetrack.

The two racetracks had been in those locations for decades....so gambling had been happening there for decades. A new form just came about. And as far as I know, there have been no reports of Northfield/North Randall/Cleveland being inundated with degenerate gamblers.

So, if you know of some place that has gone to hell all of a sudden when a casino got located there, then let us know.

I don't know about "all of a sudden" because I haven't looked into the history of the cities. When you see casinos in the south though, it's not as part of a nice city. I've only been to Shreveport and Tunica. They were pretty trashy. New Orleans is terrible. Louisiana is pretty bad in general and there's a ton of gambling. Oklahoma has gambling and it's awful. Cleveland is not noted as a particularly vibrant city so IMO it's not a very good citation.

@wargograw said:

Yes, it is a fair point. Some things are best left to national uniformity.....but in other areas things can be different.

@wargograw said:

Nah. I don't know what community you are talking about. Here there are casinos in downtown Cleveland, which filled an empty department store that had been closed for years, and downtown Cleveland is doing just fine.

And in Northfield, a casino was essentially built in the parking lot of a racetrack....and the community was and is a nice commuter community.

And in North Randall. Trust me, that community was killed long before the casino got there. Again, it was placed inside a racetrack.

The two racetracks had been in those locations for decades....so gambling had been happening there for decades. A new form just came about. And as far as I know, there have been no reports of Northfield/North Randall/Cleveland being inundated with degenerate gamblers.

So, if you know of some place that has gone to hell all of a sudden when a casino got located there, then let us know.

@wargograw said:

I went on a rant?....about State government?.....ok, if you say so....?

In my world, I just responded to Chris questioning why we have some things legal in some places and then not have them legal in others...

And offered some insight(and, I believe, complete truths) about how things are very inconsistent here in the US of A....but I certainly dont see where I took a stand(on anything) or mentioned anything about getting rid of state governments....

Y'all can keep your politics and foolish debates for the loony board.....

@wargograw said:

are you also guessing I want to debate politics here?....cause that would be wrong.....