<![CDATA[My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns]]>Not that I know diddley, but I was observing...so...

and Thanks to Canton Mike for our tickets. Got to meet Mudfly - very cool.

Sorry it's so late, but I was on the phone for nearly 4 hrs, with HP tech support trying to

get the other computer in the other room, with only Windows XP on it, to access the wireless new printer. all sorts of problems. Very serious problems. But it does work, just has a few errors

that come up.

In random order and for no good reason....

1. Maybe the highlight of the entire practice, was a drill - wr vs press coverage.

And, it was Pryor vs... JOE HADEN. I've been saying that mebbe there was too much

to learn for Pryor, and he was destined for the practice squad, if he can go there at all.

Except, the crowd was wowed, and I vowed to change my mind, too. Pryor is extremely

explosive, and quick footed, and very, very instinctively tough to keep on the los.

I imagine that he really surprised Joe with his footwork, explosiveness, and moves.

Now, as Tour noticed - the question is, how well he can run routes, etc. But, in the meantime,

he can really catch the ball, get off the los, is elusive and tricky, and very quick. Bowe

has been bragging on him. No wonder. Pryor has some serious athletic talent, and

a work ethic to match in becoming a wr.

2. Dwayne Bowe is the real deal. My guess is, Bowe is all that we all wished Josh

Gordon would be, and more. And he's very smart.

3. Hartline - is like a faster, taller Brian Brennan. A "they can't stop him" possession receiver.

I wouldn't underestimate his playing time. His experience, like with Bowe, is worth it's weight

in gold.

4. Guys I couldn't help but notice:

A. Danny Shelton, of course. High motor, 100 percent. Amazing how fast he gets engaged

at the snap, and... can power into the backfield, Took one offensive lineman

into the backfield pretty quickly. Alex Mack stalemated him, but had to fight like hell

to do it. Another time, two offensive linemen doubled-teamed him, and he still kept

moving them back, collapsing the pocket.

Can not wait til we get to see him in games. Amazing.

B. Xavier Cooper. Used to play soccer - has feet so quick it's scary - he has terrific

balance and really nice lateral movement. And he surely worries the og's.

C. Nate Orchard. Ya gotta be kiddin me. He's really QUICK, and moves laterally

with nice moves so quickly, it must be hell to try to stop him on a pass rush.

No kidding. And strong.

D. McCown, of course. He and Shaw just seem to feel it, sense it, see the field.

I am a big Shaw fan, no big arm, well jimmy crack corn and I don't care. He

has "it".

Now, I don't want to catch hell over it, but I can see Shaw being the #2 unless

"E." has the light turn on.

E. Manziel. Did a couple of good and quick things. But far too often, seems to be

thinking and not just seeing. Sure, I don't know all that much, but I think... that

he will improve. He got technically sacked, knocked on his butt, threw a short

pass way low, held onto the ball too long.... you get the picture.

He just didn't have a good day at all, was frustrated.

F. Our secondary - everybody in attendance noticed them. They are a kick ass bunch.

Gilbert seems at ease, upbeat bigtime, and confident... and more outgoing.

And Joe Haden just keeps astounding anybody watching him. Desir, at 6'2" ?

Desir moves and plays like he is more like 5'10", speed and agility-wise. How the

heck does he DO That?

I believe it was Tramon Williams that was all over the place making plays.

Robert Nelson can play, all 5'8" and 175 lbs of him, but on one play, a contact the

guy running with the ball drill, when he contacted... he didn't wrap up at all.

He got a bit of a quick message about that. interesting....

Donte Whitner - sure, it's only practice, but he's explosive and he means business.

G. At one point, there was a big quick brawl - it was either Jacobbi McDaniel or Michael

Bowie that really were into a big deal with somebody on the offense, I never got to see

who it was, the brawl grew big too quickly, and the Browns never moved a little Bobcat

type of vehicle from in front of us.

H. Paul Kruger is also serious business. With his helmet off, when walking in the opposite

direction, he reminds me of Clay Mathews III. He is one tough kickass guy out there.

I. It wasn't just me - a lot of folks in the crowd were noticing #88 - Kevin Cone. WR, 6'3", 216,

third year out of Georgia Tech. He was really impressive.

J. The only other two I noticed, were Housler, TE, and Mayle, WR. I think both will play

and will make people wish they had brought them to their team. You watch.

K. I really would love to win that Browns F-150. It would also be cool to win that

Joe Thomas autographed mini-helmet. I just wish it was win the Browns F-150 with

Joe Thomas in the passenger seat with us going fishing.

But I'd setlle for the mini-helmet. But the F-150 would really ROCK.

L. That's all.

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@tour2ma said:

Did we just have our first "bank it" of the season?

Ha!.....Im more of a "book it" guy myself.....😉

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@diehardbrownsfan said:

Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

Care to make a wager ?

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@diehardbrownsfan said:

Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

I'll put that in a Greek bank

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@mudfly said:

10 days till we play.....cant wait to see some of these guys in action.....

That is the most intelligent observation of the day shared by all!! 😁

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@d-bone said:

Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

10 days till we play.....cant wait to see some of these guys in action.....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519955https://brownsboard.com/post/519955Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:55:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:15:30 GMT]]>Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519947https://brownsboard.com/post/519947Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:15:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:01:35 GMT]]>You can always dump him. Since June 1 cap savings has been nil, so no hurry to do anything on TC Day 4.

Final Cuts? Depending on his Pre-season there might be a reason then.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519946https://brownsboard.com/post/519946Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:01:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:25:25 GMT]]>I just find it disturbing that it seems like Manziel is NOT getting any better.,, Hes a wasted pick.. again... dump him while you can Brownies..

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519936https://brownsboard.com/post/519936Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:25:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:01:30 GMT]]>But Marlon Moore wasn't a QB like yesterday... 😉

Great thread start, cal... not often do you see a 6-pack (root beer of course) of +1's for a post... well earned.

@mudfly said:

Im thinking reps and more reps for Johnny to get comfy and get back to playing in a more natural way.....

....."Haden Bean Shelton III"...

Who is "Bean"? 🙂

Once we accept that last season was essentially a total loss for JM, then it becomes easy to accept his mechanical look this early. Reps should improve things, but it's more mental than physical. That light that illuminates the hallway from the film room to the practice field has to switch on.

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@mudfly said:

Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

to be fair, Marlon Moore was also getting reps with the ones....

So I wouldn't get too excited about Pryor getting reps with ones, as pettine has simply been rotating many guys at many different positikns.

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@mudfly said:

Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

It would be a hell of a deal if he is.

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@texasag1969 said:

And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

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@mudfly said:

Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

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@mudfly said:

And, yes, a new member was added to my family....been mourning my recently passed buddy 'ludwig the dawg' and, yesterday, met a new friend that needed a home....."Haden Bean Shelton III"........it was fate.....got a dog watching the Dawgs..... 🙂

Yep....kind of just happened....but we are both happy it did.....

good man. class act all the way.

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@riffer-x said:

Draughn is another good looking player. Wouldn't count him out. I do think the Winston legend is about to die as fast as Ben Gay's.

Agreed. Winston has yet to see the field.

Mike

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@mudfly said:

Would also mention that Draughn had a lot of reps.....Im sure due to West, Johnson and Winston all sitting some......but he looked very solid and was also receiving reps at KR......

Not sure why Winston cant practice or how injured he is, but he might need to worry about this guy Draughn......

Draughn is another good looking player. Wouldn't count him out. I do think the Winston legend is about to die as fast as Ben Gay's.

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@texasag1969 said:

Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

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@flugel said:

That hoops background for Pryor can really come in handy in the red zone. Look at Ga Tech popping out WRs like DeMaryius Thomas, Calvin Johnson and now Kevin Cone.

Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519766https://brownsboard.com/post/519766Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:01:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:56:25 GMT]]>Would also mention that Draughn had a lot of reps.....Im sure due to West, Johnson and Winston all sitting some......but he looked very solid and was also receiving reps at KR......

Not sure why Winston cant practice or how injured he is, but he might need to worry about this guy Draughn......

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519765https://brownsboard.com/post/519765Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:56:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:41:16 GMT]]>Malcolm "big nuts and" Johnson and "Mild Mild" West are lined up in the backfield with Bowe and Terrelle "I have" Pryor's split wide left and right. Jim Donavan retires your our guy!!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/519761https://brownsboard.com/post/519761Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:41:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to My Silly Observations of Sat's first pads scrimmage - Browns on Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:35:58 GMT]]>Whenever I think of Malcolm Johnson Charles Clay comes to mind.

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@flugel said:

Thanks Mud! That's cool you diehards got to meet and enjoy the practice together.

Did you mean Malcolm Johnson (#44)? He is a badass. Miss State was on a lot here in Nashville. There was a play he absolutely lambasted a blitzing LBer that had a full head of steam while he was in a stationary 2 point waiting to show why he's a reliable FB. That LBer was looking out his earhole when he was trying to get off his fanny after the play. Johnson also has good hands. That #44 in Cleveland has a pretty good tradition and it sounds like Malcolm could wear it well.

Yeah...it was a nice day....

Yep....Malcolm, my bad......one play had him catching the ball, while being the bologna of the sandwich, between 2 slices of DB.....a big crash....2 DB's on the ground.....and Malcolm is running with the ball.....very impressive.....

@texasag1969 said:

Thanks cal and mud for the write-ups. Seems like Pryor has become serious competition for the 1st string WR's. With speed and size like that it seems our rough diamond is polishing up quite quickly.

Question for you mud. Why was JF so different on Sat. vs. Fri.? Was he playing with the same personnel against the same personnel? Was he "thinking" Fri. or being more the instinctive player he was famous for being? To what do you attribute this very obvious difference in play?

I cant say for sure, other than yesterday the DB's put on the pads....tightened their chin straps and made the QB's day very difficult....

Johnny, Id say is just kind of inconsistent right now.....all the QB's were rotating around alot, so he worked with several groups.....my one take away is that, to me, he looks very stiff.....very deliberate in his movements.....and definitely seems to hold the ball longer than he should.....not sure if he's not seeing it?... or why though. But a lot of his throws seem late and a little behind. The DB's were knocking them down left and right....while McCown, for instance, seems to lead the WR's better and get the ball out much faster.....

Im thinking reps and more reps for Johnny to get comfy and get back to playing in a more natural way.....

@jafbf said:

Nice write up and observations.

Gives quite a bit different impression than what the Media pundits have given me, particularly on Manziel - they've been saying he's missed hardly any throws.

That would have been Friday....he hit almost every single one......Thursday & Saturday?.....not so much....

@canton-mike said:

I have some of my own....

1) I see guys working hard & no one "going through the motions" as in years past. My thoughts on this is the Play like a Brown philosophy.

3) Where did all these WRs come from? Keep in mind they are working against a VERY solid looking bunch of DBs & doing well.

Summary...Great day topped off with Mud taking home a good looking dog! Congrats & I'll let Mud describe the pup.

Agreed Mike.....Ive been attending TC since the Lakeland days and this is as solid a group as Ive ever seen....a very focused and well run practice......and those guys are working!!

WR group is MUCH better than they are credited with being......a versatile mix of talent/size/etc.....they will be better than fine!

And, yes, a new member was added to my family....been mourning my recently passed buddy 'ludwig the dawg' and, yesterday, met a new friend that needed a home....."Haden Bean Shelton III"........it was fate.....got a dog watching the Dawgs.....🙂

@flugel said:

Thanks Mike! How bout that? Mud adding to the Dawg Pound. Makes sense...

Yep....kind of just happened....but we are both happy it did.....

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