People who do this show a willingness to defy logic and ignore facts that contradict their religious/idealogical world view, and that makes them bad at making decisions that require them to acknowledge these things.

Granted, I'm sure on plenty of things, facts can be shown on both sides of an argument (gun control, social policy etc), but the only fact in favour of a young earth is the bible, while all of science is showing a much older earth.

@calfoxwc said:

Well, if somebody doesn't believe in God, then they are

much further along in the understanding dept.

No we just don't believe that there is some being that is beyond understanding. But I am a pretty well entrenched cynic.

much further along in the understanding dept.

@pumpkin-eater said:

....if you believe in God.

... and this sounds better to you?

The concern myself and others on here have would still stand if the above is what he believes.

John 318. Would you think Obamao believes that, because he claims to be a "Christian" ???

Saying that Carson believes in a young earth is nonsense until he says he does.

...so...like I was saying...

@calfoxwc said:

Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist. They believe in young Earth.

where he says anything about "6000 years".

That makes you a liar unless you can provide any evidence where he did. Creationism doesn't automatically

mean "only 6000 years ago".

Where did you get that? Just another liberal talking point, repeated by ignorant woodpeckers forever, with

no legit basis to go by?

Listen, and read. You like science, you pretend to. Find out more about the man than just your intolerant

liberal whinings.

@mld-woody said:

Abortion or gay marriage. Legalize them and some religious people won't be happy. Make them illegal and you adversely affect gay couples and women looking to get an abortion. Just as an example.

Everyone is so divided, no one is going to be able to make everyone happy.

That statement reminds me of sergeant Hulka in stripes: " son, there aint no draft no more"

WSS

Everyone is so divided, no one is going to be able to make everyone happy.

@mld-woody said:

Or any of the people negatively affected by his policies. But yeah,sure

☆ which policies are those?☆

And a liberal candidate is going to piss off some religious people.

☆unless you run as a Democrat there are no atheists (or even agnostics) lining up for their nomination☆

No one person can bring the country together. Some topics we'll eventually be in agreement on, but it will take time. Older views dying out, younger people being raised differently, more acceptance in society for it, etc.

☆ and that much is exactly true.☆

@the-cysko-kid said:

Terrible entitlement issues and work ethic are a small price to pay for gay marriage

All liberals have a bad work ethic and entitlement issues? Or are you saying those things will result from gay marriage?

I realize the stories in the bible can be looked at as metaphors (and really should be). If you want to believe god put in motion all of the natural phenomena that got us to where we are today, go for it

But that isn't what Carson believe. He believes that 6,000 years ago god made the Earth. We know, thanks to countless amounts of research and what we've learned through science, that this is false. We know the Earth is older than 6,000 years old. For Carson to still believe this, while also being a very accomplished surgeon, means he is being willfully ignorant. He is ignoring facts that disagree with his world view. That is not a trait I want the president to have.

No I have read his book. If my interpretation of what he believes on thus subject is wrong tho, please let me know.

The only one here looking ignorant is the poster trying to defend the young earth viewpoint.

I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama either.

If you want to believe god zapped everything into existence 50,000 years ago, go for it. I would not vote foe anyone with that stance. It is also not the stance Carson is taking.

How do you know god exists? How do you know god created life on earth?

You are taking this back and forty off topic. Carson believes something. To believe that thing, in his position, you need to be willfully ignorant. I don't want to vote for a willfully ignorant president, and neither do some other posters on the board.

@mld-woody said:

Or any of the people negatively affected by his policies. But yeah,sure

And a liberal candidate is going to piss off some religious people.

No one person can bring the country together. Some topics we'll eventually be in agreement on, but it will take time. Older views dying out, younger people being raised differently, more acceptance in society for it, etc.

Terrible entitlement issues and work ethic are a small price to pay for gay marriage

are pretending to understand?

And, Chris, lead dating? Lead dating is or inorganic dating. Geology, dude.

So, lead dating proves the age of the planet.

One more time. How does lead dating prove that God didn't create life on this planet?

And the oceans?

If all you can do, Chris and Woopecker, is to post like you are hopping around on a pogo stick,

to make yourselves look tall...you look like morons.

Here's an example of what I said about the original Hebrew and Greek. In the Ten Commandments -

the original Hebrew..or Greek...word in the commandment about "Thou Shalt Not Kill"....

actually is the word for "murder". Not "kill". The word for "kill" was an entirely different word.

It was lost in the interpretation/conversion to other languages. "Thous Shalt Not Murder" is what

it really is.

I don't know the answer as to creation time being misunderstood, or a metaphor/allegory. If you consider

back in the early ancient days, they probably didn't have a freaking calendar. How would they have

coneptualized "billions of years old" of anything?

It is uusally far more intelligent to ask legit questions, than to falsely pretend you know the answers.

So far, I'm getting fake answers, and pitiful, extremely asinine self-aggrandizing from chris and woodpecker.

I have - you run off at the mouth, Cleve, and you look ignorant.

And woody, if all you have, is smarting off to prove your point, you lose.

So, obamao doesn't believe in the Bible, doesn't believe God created the Heaven

and the Earth....

like I said, I don't know if the original Hebrew and Greek was misinterpreted... or what.

But my question still stands. If the planet is billions of years old, then why can't it have been

created by God only 50,000 years ago, with water and life, etc, as we know it became

in ancient history?

I honestly don't know. I know God is there, and I know he created life on earth.

The gay quibbling over "haha look at when" stuff is really weak.

Read Joseph Campbell's "Hero of a Thousand Faces". From the beginning of recorded history,

there are strong tendencies of creative literature, and indeed, history itself, of the monomyth.

How is this possible, across continents, cultures, and the ages?

Now, read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretation_of_the_Bible

Metaphors-->allegories have existed from the early ancient days of recorded history.

I don't know what all is definately metaphor or allegory in the Bible. But there is an inherent

pattern in the minds of human beings since forever, about explaining the fictional, and non-fictional

adventures of people.

@westside-steve said:

Not Woody.

WSS

Or any of the people negatively affected by his policies. But yeah,sure

And a liberal candidate is going to piss off some religious people.

No one person can bring the country together. Some topics we'll eventually be in agreement on, but it will take time. Older views dying out, younger people being raised differently, more acceptance in society for it, etc.

@oldbrownsfan said:

No he wouldn't. ANd you know it. Dr Carson is a man who believes in a very few specific things and if you're outside of that good luck to you cause you're silly fucked under his presidency.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Ben Carson would make a great president and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Unlike our divider in Chief Obama, Dr. Carson could bring the country together.

Not Woody.

WSS