@flugel said:

Rusty isn't the term I would use. Shitty is more like it. Dude got spanked like an Asian schoolkid

Well done.

@mudfly said:

Aside from getting tossed around like Raggedy Ann - he hasn't been the brightest apple in the orchard. I brought up that play where the LBer walked up to his right shoulder pre-snap to blitz; and Seymour's first look was left (at no defenders in the vicinity). The LBer blitzed untouched and somehow Manziel still completed the pass.

Looks like a good year to acquaint Erving with some backup Center in addition to backup Tackle duty. Or, Greco can always be a backup Center with Erving being his backup. Bowie would be our backup tackle even though he looked kind of rusty last week.

@mudfly said:

h.....they both had terrible scores.....

games are scored green(+2 or higher) = excellent......white(-2 to +2) = avg +/-......red(-2 or lower) = terrible....

McD scored red every single game he played and had an avg pff of -3.5/game...8 game score was -28.3 (lowest of all Browns)

Seymour wasnt much better.....last season, scored in the red 3 out of 4 games(but had a nice score for the Indy game) with an avg pff of -1.3/game....or -5.1 for the 4 games he played.....

He also had the 2nd lowest score on the entire team for last weeks game @ -3.4(a Mcd type of score).....

Thanks... Going to guess McD got to his big -avg with some big neg's early that rose later... at least that would fit with my data.

Both had issues when someone was on their nose which should have been the case for Seymour vs. Indy's 3-4...

@tour2ma said:

h.....they both had terrible scores.....

games are scored green(+2 or higher) = excellent......white(-2 to +2) = avg +/-......red(-2 or lower) = terrible....

McD scored red every single game he played and had an avg pff of -3.5/game...8 game score was -28.3 (lowest of all Browns)

Seymour wasnt much better.....last season, scored in the red 3 out of 4 games(but had a nice score for the Indy game) with an avg pff of -1.3/game....or -5.1 for the 4 games he played.....

He also had the 2nd lowest score on the entire team for last weeks game @ -3.4(a Mcd type of score).....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2549964-making-the-call-on-the-cleveland-browns-hardest-remaining-cuts

If you don't mind.... how did his 2014 PFF rating compare to McDonald's?

I remember McD having issues early, but improving after three starts or so until he went down. Then even though he was rushed back into play by Seymore's injury, I remember McD finishing the season fairly well.

The dude just was not strong enough last year and apparently took a short-cut... or at least "supplemented" his efforts to get stronger.

they cheat.

@vagitron said:

Ohhhhhhhhh shit. I can't remember the last steeler to get plinked for ped's.

One time Big Ben raped a girl.

@wargograw said:

That's at least THREE of us! LOL

@the-gipper said:

What I wonder is where was the "enhanced performance" as a result of him taking these? I saw no visible evidence of enhanced performance.

Hahaha I thought the same thing.