@d-bone said:

Pretty sure wargograw is Retard - and I mean that in both ways possible.

I wasn't the only one to have this opinion. Just the only one that felt like arguing with the lynch mob here.

@wargograw said:

I'll be sure to yell that out at Lebron or Joe next time they say they're doing it for Cleveland. Of course he's personally invested but this entire league exists for the fans. The fans will pay that contract. The fans provide enough funds to keep him on the team. It's all connected.

It's a symbolic gesture but neither of them would be playing if they weren't paid for it.

Thinking anything otherwise shows nothing but naïveté.

I can't believe we could have had (Mack, Watkins, Evans, Martin, Mosely, or Aaron Donald) and took a guy who wouldn't make the roster if he wasn't a 1st round pick.

@wargograw said:

People insulting you don't increase your desire to succeed for them.

Assuming he's succeeding for us is very self-centered.

This is his career. If he doesn't succeed, he's fired. He could give a shit less about any of us.

@dste-ace said:

It's like talking to Retard. You are right and everyone else, including the coaching staff, is wrong.

Gilbert came in here as our #8 pick in the first round with an immature, shit attitude. By the end of the year

he was being called out by respected veterans because of his arrogance, immaturity, and general

unprofessional approach towards the game. So far this season, he has had a poor showing against Washington

and by all accounts a horrific week against Buffalo.

Surely you understand that Cleveland fans are tired of the excuses and simply want to see some sort of return on

the investment.

And I'll stop calling you Shirley...

No, the coaching staff isn't wrong. They thought he played fairly well last year, until the end. That's the same position I have, that Mud has, that PFF has in their grades. You all insisting he sucked last year despite playing fairly well in all but two of the games he played in are actually the ones that think the staff is wrong.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Are the laws of human nature "let what people say on social media affect your job performance"?

Because, if so, I've yet to find one person in my life who follows that supposed law of human nature.

People insulting you don't increase your desire to succeed for them.

Kid has a hell of a snatch.

What does your gut tell he is going to do:

1) Say "F--- it! Not my guy/problem!"

2) Do what Skrine or Haden would always do by hustling into position to plant a shoulder, wrap and drive through the man.

3) Find the perfect excuse to slip or dive to avoid contact.

4) Grab so it at least appears he attempted to stop the guy.

I feel bad saying this but I don't have enough evidence to think he'd consider #2 above. A classic example of the difference between a guy that does the little things vrs a guy that puts I before team is Webster Slaughter on the Fumble. Here's a play where if Webster didn't want to block Jeremiah Castille - he could at least set a passive pic to prevent him the opportunity of stripping Byner of the football at the one. While that doesn't excuse how Byner was holding the football on that play - the refusal to do just 1 little thing was the difference between putting that playoff game in overtime and ending it with the type of disappointment it ended in. Games that close boil down to the little things. And Gilbert doesn't have my trust until he shows me it. Trust me when I say I'd love to have it. That said, I think we're talented and deep enough at corner to the extent Gilbert might not get any playing time or possibly a spot on the roster if he's not showing the coaches what he can do every day in practice.

Both Gilbert and Manziel have learned that this is finally the level where just being talented isn't enough to show up and be successful any more. They're at the point where if they fail to prepare - they should prepare to fail. We'll see how it plays out...

@tour2ma said:

BINGO

There comes a point when you have to say "pass" to promise/potential and take production.

@wargograw said:

He's not immune to laws of human nature. So if that's your standard, all but maybe 1 or 2 guys on the team are "pussies."

Are the laws of human nature "let what people say on social media affect your job performance"?

Because, if so, I've yet to find one person in my life who follows that supposed law of human nature.

Gilbert came in here as our #8 pick in the first round with an immature, shit attitude. By the end of the year

he was being called out by respected veterans because of his arrogance, immaturity, and general

unprofessional approach towards the game. So far this season, he has had a poor showing against Washington

and by all accounts a horrific week against Buffalo.

Surely you understand that Cleveland fans are tired of the excuses and simply want to see some sort of return on

the investment.

And I'll stop calling you Shirley...

@wargograw said:

Fine, but understand that this goes back to Flugel's original point:

"When I hear "he's gonna" it only reminds me "he hasn't." "

@flugel said:

Let's just hope he erases all doubt during his window of opportunity here. So far, it's terrifying to see him out there playing grab ass and looking for for Waldo in man coverage. Cornerback seems like an instinctive trade. I heard at the Buffalo scrimmage, UDFA Andre Davis absolutely humiliated him. Again, we all want the kid to succeed. My biggest question with Gilbert is does he have the inner-chest to do all the little things that add up over a 60 minute game? For example, is the kind of corner willing to come up and tackle somebody in run support or come off a coverage to tackle a big TE finding a seam? One thing we've had here are corners that tackle well. This concern about Gilbert's tackling goes all the way back to pre-draft scouting reports.

At 1 time, I thought it would be awful if he didn't pan out. Now that I've seen us find an undrafted gem like K'Wuan Williams as well as sign a FA like Tramon Williams - good karma has already been taken care of. There's also other promising young corners here like Gaines, Desir and others.

I get it, I really do. But I think the negative perception of him causes his few poor plays to be magnified. He was not nearly as bad last year as pretty much everyone here except Mud thinks, so I do have faith that in the regular season he's going to prove himself. I really do.

@miktoxic said:

It's an expression meaning quit whining about problems that don't exist anywhere outside of your head and play the damn game..