@westside-steve said:

oh I hate that shit. I barely shop at Walmart "period". Sometimes i'll admit it's hard to know where something comes from. But shop at Walmart of all places, and bitch about something being from china? f

It reminds me of an argument I was having with a hard left guy who was bitching about the cheap piece of China shit he got at Walmart. Dude, don't you see the irony there? You could have gone right down the road and purchased one made in the USA for about 30% more but you prefer to bitch?

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@westside-steve said:

yeah we agree then, I never meant to suggest companies hire more workers than their business model permits. There's some grey areas there where companies "could" hire more workers...or actually just not fire the ones they already have....but do so because the execs want to cash out. I think Hostess comes to mind.

But in the end companies/corporations exist to create economy, ie wealth for their employees and owners. These new existential definitions of what corporations are concern me, we already have seen what "corporations are people too" has done to campaign finance. It's destroyed our democracy. We're projected to spend almost $5B this election cycle.

@clevfan4life said:

of course I agree their reason for starting is a business idea. They produce that product "FOR PROFIT"...completely with you. But they do this business within our economy to contribute to it. Otherwise who are the consumers? If "we" aren't gainfully employed, who buys their shit? The less and less people a company employs, the less useful it is to the economy overall. Caveats to that are companies that start up to create a technology that then leads to other companies being able to create capital within our system, and yes workers are capital. Because workers than buy shit. People who don't work tend not to buy much shit, do you not agree?

To an extent. We do have welfare. People spend their welfare checks on things. And it's not a zero-sum game not everybody works but not everybody buys whatever I'm making. And for instance if you are retired or living off your investments the return you get from the stock in my widget factory is your salary. You can spend that on my widgets should you care to.

I don't see that we were in disagreement in that. I need 100 men to make widgets and I sell them for a profit.

If I have 150 men I break even and 200 men I lose money. So I need to make my widgets with a hundred workers.

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@mld-woody said:

I posted a video that shined a light on some negative aspects of Christianity

Stuart

No you didn't. Fleecing people is not an "aspect of Christianity", negative or otherwise.

There are con-men in the automotive repair industry, con-men MD's in the medical profession, con-men lawyers etc...

Negative aspects are the "downside" or unfavorable results or conditions that present themselves even if company policy, ethics etc., are adhered to.

You as a libfuck should be well versed in the "negative aspects" or "downside" of fracking for example, right Woody?

The "downside" or "negative aspect" of hiring a lawyer may be that his fees may be more than the lawsuit is worth...catching on Woody?

News for you Woody...There pretty much is consensus among all ideologies across the board that televangelists are scam artists.

Your thread is trivial and inconsequential. You created it because the urge to bash Christianity was just to strong to overcome this time.

But they should hire as many workers as they need. Not more. Do you disagree?

You see it's not the other way around. Ie their job is not to hire workers and then figure out something to make and Cell at a profit.

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What I hate is that rich has become synomonous with job creation, which is horseshit. In our current system you can get filthy stinking rich, up to your eyeballs in our fake monopoly money...and not create jack shit. Just feed off the system. I wish conservatives could wrap their heads around that distinction, the party would grow if they could.

A better analogy for Cal to have used would be to list the deceit and lies of tele-democrats.

Right Woody?

There are like a 100 "Obama lies" videos.

A L Webber

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. ²² Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ ²³ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you...

* There are warnings in the bible like this that could apply here. I am not the judge but the bible says there will be those who think they are fine with the Lord and will have a rude awakening one day. There are no examples from Jesus to His disciples living the lifestyles of the rich and famous. I do not believe Christians have to be poor either but it comes to moderation in all things. If a private jet could be justified because of expenses for use in ministry that would be an acceptable argument but that is not the case. These private jets that cost millions plus maintenance costs to me only seem to be status symbols.

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@westside-steve said:

I also watched the video, and John Oliver is great.

Was that Debbie Downer playing his wife?