It is a really nice pipe dream though. Get Griffin for a mere fraction of what Washington paid; one late first round pick and one third round pick.

Imagine the Browns getting the player Skins fans were hoping for....it's a really nice thought until he tears his ACL opening graham crackers...

@diehardbrownsfan said:

That too was sports talk radio speculation. I think it was Rizzo et al that speculated on it.

They said that they said he "could" be put on the PUP....if his condition was not improved.

@the-gipper said:

I was referring to you saying you 'had heard' he (Manziel) was going to be put in the pup.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I don't remember using any source.....other than to say it was sports talk radio speculation. I was not implying that these trade talks were actually taking place.

What locker room reports I have heard on RG are not good...

Here's the latest and it's only 5-days old:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/27/report-several-washington-offensive-linemen-dislike-rg3/

Doesn't read very "Play like a Brown" to me...

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Physically, he may be recovered. Mentally, it's harder to come back from a torn ACL than it is a little elbow soreness - especially when your value proposition to the team is your elusiveness.

I wouldn't mind us taking a flier on RG3, but not at the cost of JMZ.

First the media jizz fest at the even the thought of JM and RG3 on the same team would be too huge...

Second... not just the knee but there was also that gruesome, non-contact ankle dislocation...

I'd do this in a heartbeat. Provided that it's not something stupid like $16M in each of the next two years... Rather than combined. Team has the space to absorb that.

I don't think RGIII is done. I think he's in a bad situation. And hate him or not, he's done far more at the NFL level than Manziel has. Hell, we're all happy here when Johnny Football looks like he may be developing into a decent backup. Just the fact that he wasn't a hyena fire in the preseason has some singing praises (me included). But he has a long way to go to even be at RGIII's level. Swapping Manziel for Griffin IS buying low.

I'd take the chance that he succeeds outside of Washington.

Thing is - the 'Skins would never touch this deal.

Ah. Then the answer is, NO FREAKIN WAY, unless he

renegotiates his contract.. or something.

Nah.

@ballpeen said:

I'm in 'Peen's camp on this one. Pettine & staff err on the conservative side with players health & that's a good thing. Let's just wait & see what happens.

Mike

Zombo said:

I've never heard of a backup qb taking off three weeks in training camp because his elbow was sore from throwing a football.

Which came after spending the offseason in rehab.

Which came after straining his hammy running from a big guy in his second start, and then blowing off treatment to party.

Can't wait to see this legendary toughness.

Z

--I guess whizzing a water bottle at a teenager at the pool was kinda tough.

All true, but I wonder if he is just sore from actually practicing for the first time in his life. I think he will be okay..

@ballpeen said:

I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

I've never heard of a backup qb taking off three weeks in training camp because his elbow was sore from throwing a football.

Which came after spending the offseason in rehab.

Which came after straining his hammy running from a big guy in his second start, and then blowing off treatment to party.

Can't wait to see this legendary toughness.

Z

--I guess whizzing a water bottle at a teenager at the pool was kinda tough.

@ballpeen said:

Manziel played 2 games and hurt his hamstring?

@texasag1969 said:

Trading a sore arm for a fragile piece of rare china would be a bad mistake. Plus most things I have heard is that RG III's heart is no longer in the game.

His teammates claim that it's all about RG3. The read offense got him hurt twice with torn ACLs Don't worry Chip Kelly now has another guy to add to his stable of bad QBs

@the-gipper said:

Nope.

I'm not banking on Johnny to be great, but it appears he followed a lot of advice and tried to get his head screwed on straight. He'll most likely play this year, given McCown's injury history. The Browns will know way more about him when this happens- is he an NFL QB or not.

RG3 obviously regressed. Plus the drama around him, seeking the "comeback story" would be as bad a distraction as Johnny's 1st season- the Browns don't need that again.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Unfortunately the injuries aren't as big of a deal as is him being made out to be a cancer that can't learn Gruden's offense. But that being said if he gets cut he has proven he can do it at a high level. Every time I think the dog killer sucked I go back and look at his numbers, pretty friggin good.

@baconhound said:

If he gets cut, hell yes. In a trade, hell no. Believe he gets 16.1 guaranteed over the next 2 years barring injury.

He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

The media isn't making us believe he was oft-injured.

I'm in agreement with you though. I'd love to see him here if the price were right. A low risk trade or in FA. He still has potential.

He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

On an update on QB Johnny Manziel and when he might resume throwing:

“Yeah, he’s close. I just spoke with (head athletic trainer) Joe Sheehan about that, that he’s where we thought he would be in the progression and that we’re confident by the end of the week that he’ll be able to handle the football and throw it.”

@riffer-x said:

OK, NOW you have slam dunked this debate and convinced me not to go for him....unless again it is at no cost.

Question: if he is cut and you want to pick him up.....do you have to honor that contract ....or not?

@jrb12711 said:

Good point perhaps. Bring him in after he is cut.....and give him a try. Worth a shot.

Right Robby now he has a chance to be about as good as Johnny, Thaddy, or Patty....fair to say. And if it costs nothing, even better.

No, I don't make that trade - If JM doesn't turn himself around, RG3 is his tentative, immobile future.