@tour2ma said:

I've been impressed with him insofar as Krugers backup. I'm no defensive guru but I just can't figure out why the two of em are on the field at the same time.

WSS

@tour2ma said:

Praying that don't do that to Cooper either. He has an elite first step at an already solid weight.

Back on Wynn... successful 3-4 DEs have been in his mold, I just hope the staff doesn't bulk him up as they did Winn.

@clevfan4life said:

Kruger would be checking the TE and dropping underneath him or to a hook/curl/flat responsibility.

I have a feeling you're answering your own questions - Mingo isn't good to go. I'm surprised Orchard isn't getting those looks being that he's a bit more fluid

and space. If Kruger has any coverage responsibility it will be tracking a back or floating into a curl/flat zone to the boundary, nothing much more.

@tiamat63 said:

but why on earth? We were running 4 man fronts with Solomon's hand down on the other side and Kruger standing up just slightly off the line on his side. Basically showing a 5 man front with the Will possibly showing rush but dropping into protection. Kruger simply can't do it. We are going to get burned with that look. I trust Kruger in zone but man coverage? I was thinking they were just having fun cause Mingo's hurt, that's how we should be using Mingo not fucking Kruger.

@clevfan4life said:

You're going to see it, so make peace with that. How Kruger is put in that situation, by audible of necessity/scheme or by intention is another story.

@tiamat63 said:

well put. I just hope some of the things I saw in preseason were anomalies that Pettine was trying so as to keep his cards hidden, cause some of it will absolutely not work. Like using Kruger as a cover 43 OLB'er. I don't want to see that even once during the season.

However what some must understand is that with a simple shift and sliding out one player substitution, this defense can produce anything from your

classic 2 gap 3-4 look, a 4 down and even some 33. The concepts of defense being set in stone with 'x' player having to play 'x' position a certain way are long dead.

Offenses have become far more innovative and aggressive with plays, personnel groupings and scheme - defenses are trying to do the same.

@tour2ma said:

Didn't say he couldn't, but aren't we "flush" at 34 DE? He's really that strong eh? Fuck, makes sense though he basically shoulder flys tackles around the corner. I like how he cuts down angles going to the qb. I've been waiting for 3 years now for Kruger to learn how to carve the edge like that, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Think i'm really starting to like this Wynn kid now. But "ideally" c'mon, he's a 4-3 DE. He would be pinching down so many pockets from the edge. With our beef coming up the middle there would be literal implosion of QB pockets heard round the league.

Confuse the enemy and someone on offense will mistakenly read the wrong thing and get their shorts handed to them. We now have the athletic ability

to do this.

Guys like Hughes, Winn, Starks and Meder are good 3-techs in their 4-3 under, and they line up guys there even in 3-4 base.

They're looking for versatile DTs who can play that 3 and 5 tech (3-4 DE).

Fast (5.07 w/ 1.73 split), strong (43 reps) and 280+ seems ideal for a 3-4 DE. Coach him up...

I guess we'll see next week. I like the depth on our defense. I honestly think our 2nd stringers, if they run in base 4-3...are actually a very serviceable NFL defense. Like I might actually be content with the state of affairs of our defense if they were the starters. That's a pretty damn good thing to have even if we really don't have that one world beating freak, at least yet....Shelton may turn into that if he's already this damn good.

But the look is very fluid...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/jamie_meder_knows_adversity_an.html

Releasing kitchen is far more a surprise. Maybe the Browns have their eyes a couple

of big NT's on other teams, who may get released.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-browns/cleveland-browns-1.270107/browns-release-kent-state-product-youngstown-native-ishmaa-ily-kitchen-1.620557

RDE 94 STARKS, RANDY CC/Mia 93 Hughes, John 12/3 90 Winn, Billy 12/6 66 Meder, Jamie CF14

NT 71 Shelton, Danny 15/1 60 McDaniel, Jacobbi CF14

LDE 92 Bryant, Desmond U/Oak 95 Bryant, Armonty 13/7 96 Cooper, Xavier 15/3 97 Wynn, Dylan CF15

LOLB 54 Solomon, Scott SF14 91 Reilly, Mike CF15 51 Mingo, Barkevious 13/1

LILB 56 DANSBY, KARLOS U/Arz 59 Carder, Tank W/Buf 52 Pullard, Hayes 15/7

RILB 58 Kirksey, Christian 14/3 53 Robertson, Craig CF11

ROLB 99 Kruger, Paul U/Bal 48 Orchard, Nate 15/2

LCB 23 Haden, Joe 10/1 26 Desir, Pierre 14/4 24 Bademosi, Johnson CF12 35 Rankin, Joe SF15 21 Gilbert, Justin 14/1

SS 31 WHITNER, DONTE U/SF 30 Campbell, Ibraheim 15/4 38 Feichter, Landon CF15

FS 39 Gipson, Tashaun CF12 40 Saunders, De'Ante CF15 33 Poyer, Jordan W/Phi

RCB 22 WILLIAMS, TRAMON U/GB 36 Williams, K'Waun CF14 43 Gaines, Charles 15/6 37 James, Kendall SF14 27 Nelson, Robert CF14

What would it be if a 4-3?

Do Solomon/Kruger/Orchard switch to DE? Does Meder/Hughes/Winn move to DT? Is Jacobbi McDaniel really good enough to be the only other designated DT on this team beside Shelton?

My question is if we are going to go to the 4-3....2DEs, 2DTs...then why are we ditching Defensive Tackles?

In the 4-3 who will be our DTs? Our DEs? Our MLB, our OLBs?

@miktoxic said:

I'm a defense honk so to me, yeah it's a big deal. Lmao